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     Are  you living in a cave? Nascar has the highest tv ratings of any
type of auto racing in the US. All the networks are competing for the major
races. If you've bothered to just tune into any Winston Cup event,you will
see every single seat filled. Bristol had more than 140,000 fans showed
up,and they're planning on adding more seats for next year. While here in
New York,F1 is carried by Fox Sports Network,that usually shows the race
tape delayed. And the Newspaper tv listings doesn't even list the race half
the time. More than once after spending considerable time finding out when
the race will be on,it was bumped in favor of another sporting event.

     If you think that Cart and the IRL have low tv ratings,F1s is even
worse.

Joel Willstein

Do you actually think either would not dominate if they came to CART?
Look at any driver that has moved from a test program with a F1 team
or actually driven F1 and they have been competitive. Zanardi was a
mediocore F1 driver ( and still is) and dominated CART. Montoya was a
TEST driver in F! and is the best rookie (if not one of the best ever)
in a Champ Car. I dont think there is any doubt that if Schuey or Mika
came to Cart they would be extremely competitive if they were with the
right team, as would a handful of other drivers currently running in
F1

??????????????? and? your point?  There is a limit on how well a
vehicle can perform. I am sure many drivers could drive a production
car to its limits. Driving a F1 car, Champ Car, or even a Nascar to
its limits is a totally different proposition.

Maybe. Look at guys like Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon, they would be
fast no matter what you put them in. I wonder if Mika and those guys
could drive sprint cars? Probably.

Team orders were very clear in McLaren from Melbourne 98, and after
Zeltewg 99 (but this time DC didn't ruin MH's race) :-))

IMHO he wants to come back when there will be no hope for Irvine to
win the championship, so he'll be able to race without team orders.
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There were _no_ team orders at McLaren during the Melbourne '98 race,
and F1 hasn't raced at Zeltweg since 1964.

Except for that, perfect! ;-)

Cheers!
John

I'm sure that every Touring car driver's dream would be to race in F1
given the chance, so don't tell me that they are still racing Touring
cars because they prefer it.
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Peter Ives

F1 drivers sure get paid more. But I think that there are two kinds of
drivers. Those who go for wealth and fame, and those who go for a kind of
racing they enjoy. I can clearly see how the latter kind would go to touring
cars, rallycross or other kinds of racing and stay with them - even if they
could move on to formula cars - just since that's the kind of racing they want
to do.

Add to that the politics of F1 and you have a lot of really good drivers who
for some reason don't get to drive, while relatively bad drivers end up in the
***pit.

I am totally convinced that a lot of the very best drivers are outside of the
formula car circus.

Yes, I'm telling you these guys are still racing touring cars since they
prefer it. :)

My Buck O'two,
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Ok this wasnt my arguement at all.  I have no doubt that they COULD dominate
with the right car and team but it hasnt been proven (Montoya is just an
amazing talent).  If he were in an F1 car he would probably be one of the best
within 2 years.  However it would be the same for Schumacher in CART.  It would
take him some time (in his case probably only about 5 races) to become dominent
like Montoya.

My point is simply that they could all do it.  I didnt mention the other forms
of racing (GT, Touring Car, Rally, etc) because they werent part of the
arguement.  They could drive an equal car just about as well.

I dont doubt it but again its a case of getting used to it.  Which even for
those guys, would be VERY hard to do.  Anyone who has ever driven a car on dirt
and asphalt (and im among them...i drove a mini sprint on dirt and a TQ midget
on asphalt) know how hard going from the grip of pavement to the near absense
of grip on dirt is.

Chris

Well the circuit was called Ostrreichring, but it was in the town of
Zeltweg till 1987, and still it is there, but they changed the name to
Spielberg, and the circuit is A-1 Ring because of local politics

At least, that is what was written on Italian press on this two facts.
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This is a bit low, don't you think? Yes, they changed the name of the track
from Zeltweg to ?sterreichring to A1-Ring and changed the track somewhat,
but A1-Ring still is in Zeltweg (actually in Spielberg, but AFAIK Spielberg
is part of Zeltweg).

Hena

Now if only you wouldn't try to combine all the forms! I went to the
CART race in Toronto, and one of the support races was a
CASCAR race. Stockers and street courses do not mix.

(I didn't watch because it was during the CART autograph session,
but the course was yellow for most of the race I think, with one
lengthy red.)

:-)

Jonathan Bishop
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Maybe if he was on the right team. In F1, from the front of the grid
to the back is largely determined by the team. There are exceptions,
but if Montoya wasnt in a Mclaren, Ferrari, Jordan, or next year a
Ford or Williams, he wouldnt stand a chance.

I would bet it would be less. Schumacher is already beating the best
of the best in inferior equipment. Put him in one of Gannassi's cars
and he would dominate to at least the same extent as Montoya.

I would think the similarities of driving a 1000hp F1 car on grooved
tires and driving a 1000hp sprint car on dirt would be similiar.

Because he and Mika made an agreement that whoever reached T1 in the
lead would be allowed to win (i.e. the other McLaren driver wouldn't
challenge him). Although Mika fell to second due to the team's error
in calling him in, David felt that their agreement still stood and
that Mika shouldn't lose because of the team's error (if Mika made the
error it's different).

Being "gentlemanly".

It may be semantics, but that location has had three F1 tracks -
originally Zeltweg for one race, then changed to the Osterreichring
and now to the A1-Ring. Sorry if I was being pedantic :-)

Cheers!
John

You really think a TC driver would turn down a F1 ride making minimum
2-3 M a year for a TC ride making $100K  to  500K a year.

Most of those guys would be in F1 in a sec if they could.

?????????

???????

Do you live on a different planet?

Yeah, given the 'politics' in F1, I wouldn't have been surprized if DC was
ordered to let Mika win.  I would have disappointed, but not surprized... :-(
Whatever happened to "may the best driver win"?

Eldred

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