rec.autos.simulators

by Jo » Sun, 21 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I'm getting paranoid- I bought a T2 a week ago, and love it, except
for one detail- my times are off by a full second, and I don't appear
to be in the running to getting them back soon. And I feel like I am
doing much cleaner laps than I did with my old Virtual Pilot Pro/CH
pedal combo! One major difference is that I am one-foot driving now,
instead of two with the CHpedals.

Anyway, I am doubly paranoid to hear that most of the extremely fast
laps (below 52.000 at long beach, let's say) seem to be done by
people with joysticks, and more than one has mentioned that they have
T2s but gave them up for their old systems because their times
sucked...

So here's the question- is anyone out there geting sub 52 times for
Long Beach (or the equivelent anywhere else) using a T2? And are you
one-foot or two foot driving? Do I just need another week or two to
get the times back? If so, I'll just reset my best times and pretend
I'm just a slower guy.

by **Clark Arch** » Mon, 22 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>So here's the question- is anyone out there geting sub 52 times for
>Long Beach (or the equivelent anywhere else) using a T2? And are you
>one-foot or two foot driving? Do I just need another week or two to
>get the times back? If so, I'll just reset my best times and pretend
>I'm just a slower guy.

Well, I'm not into the 51s (or even 52s) yet, but I've only had my T2 for
about three weeks. I've never played ICR2 with a joystick; indeed, I bought
the game back in November but put it aside until I decided to buy a T2. Funny
how that just about coincided with the start of the IndyCar season. :)

In just a few weeks, I've dropped my Long Beach time to 53.460. And watching
the replay shows MUCH room for improvement. I think if you already have the
skills, you should just be patient and wait for your times to come back down.
I tried driving with only one foot, but that is just WAY too slow; you can
never get off the gas and on to the brake fast enough.

Clark

by **Mike Manthe** » Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I don't remember my times, but I do 2-foot driving with the T2.
It's easier if you take your boots off - you can tell what you're
doing better../.. sure, it's cramped, but I think my times improved.

(am I just imagining it?)
Mike

by **Johnny Ah** » Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:00:00

> I'm getting paranoid- I bought a T2 a week ago, and love it, except
> for one detail- my times are off by a full second, and I don't appear
> to be in the running to getting them back soon. And I feel like I am
> doing much cleaner laps than I did with my old Virtual Pilot Pro/CH
> pedal combo! One major difference is that I am one-foot driving now,
> instead of two with the CHpedals.

> Anyway, I am doubly paranoid to hear that most of the extremely fast
> laps (below 52.000 at long beach, let's say) seem to be done by
> people with joysticks, and more than one has mentioned that they have
> T2s but gave them up for their old systems because their times
> sucked...

> So here's the question- is anyone out there geting sub 52 times for
> Long Beach (or the equivelent anywhere else) using a T2? And are you
> one-foot or two foot driving? Do I just need another week or two to
> get the times back? If so, I'll just reset my best times and pretend
> I'm just a slower guy.

Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a high
51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a joystick,
then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear that
some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be nice.

johnny ahn

by **Josh Beauli** » Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a high
>51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a joystick,
>then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear that
>some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
>person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be nice.
>johnny ahn

.... Get a ***y wheel, Johnny!!! (There IS no substitute!!)

by **Cie Phillip** » Thu, 25 Apr 1996 04:00:00

On Wednesday, April 24, 1996, Johnny Ahn wrote...

> Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a
high
> 51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a
joystick,
> then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear
that
> some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
> person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be
nice.

> johnny ahn

I have a 51.1 at LB and I use CH products virtual pilot pro and pro
pedals.
If the deal is the same as it is in Nascar, it is built into the program
to give joystick users with no pedal's an advantage. If you are doing the
multitesting you will notice that your car sticks much better and is
faster than with Nascar 1.2. That's because Papyrus has made an attempt to
fix this due to complaints from wheel and pedal users like myself.
They (Papyrus) evidently felt that joystick users would be at a
disadvantage. However, that was not the case.

by **Darren Settl** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>>Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a high
>>51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a joystick,
>>then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear that
>>some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
>>person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be nice.

>>johnny ahn

>..... Get a ***y wheel, Johnny!!! (There IS no substitute!!)

Once you try a wheel .......you will throw that joystick out the
window ......

by **Eldred Picke** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a high
>51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a joystick,
>then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear that
>some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
>person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be nice.

Damn, I'm at about 56...I'm in TROUBLE :(

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid. And why are you always watching me?!?

by **Eva** » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

?>
?>>Well, I heard some Michael Wollenstein(sorry for the spelling) guy got a high
?>>51 with the T2, which doesnt' impress me cause i have a 51.8 with a joystick,
?>>then i hear some other guy got a low 51 with a joystick. But then I hear that
?>>some guy got a 50.something, and I'm not sure what he was using. If that
?>>person would like to say what input device he's using, it sure would be nice.
?>
?>>johnny ahn

?>
?>..... Get a ***y wheel, Johnny!!! (There IS no substitute!!)
?>
?>
?
? Once you try a wheel .......you will throw that joystick out the
?window ......

That is soooo true. I just got a T2, and my only complaint
is that I waited so long to get one. Frankly, even if joysticks are
somehow faster, I'll never play without my T2 again....

--Evan

by Jo » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00

...

Can these programs tell the difference between a wheel and a joystick?
Or do they just pay attention to whether or not you have pedals?

by Jo » Sun, 28 Apr 1996 04:00:00

>> Once you try a wheel .......you will throw that joystick out the
>> window ......
> That is soooo true. I just got a T2, and my only complaint
>is that I waited so long to get one. Frankly, even if joysticks are
>somehow faster, I'll never play without my T2 again....

I agree, even with my slower times, I love the feel of the system.
However, we now know for sure that ICR2 deals with digital inputs
differently from analog (joystick) input- people pushing buttons have
a traction advantage. So maybe people should include in their
fast-lap submissions what control devices were used to do the laps.

Since this thread has gotten split in to three pieces for some reason,
I don't know if everyone read Rick Genter's excellent, frank answer to
the question that has been plaguing many here:
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>> It's unfortunate, but it seems that Indycar2 and Nascar both
>> give a performance advantage in acceleration and traction to the
>> joystick.<snip)
>> Don Scurlock

>Please excuse the extreme snipping.... but here's an open question
>for Rick Genter or anyone else with an inside scoop at Papyrus.

>" I s t h i s t r u e ? "

>C'mon, don't leave us hangin'

The difference between analog and digital traction will be removed in
the DOS patch. As far as acceleration/braking goes, currently there is
no difference in terms of maximum acceleration/braking. However, with
analog control you will not achieve maximum acceleration/braking
unless you are at the absolute end of your control's range. This means
that calibration is extremely important, as well as the quality of
your analog device. Being just one count off can give you as much as
1% less acceleration/braking force.

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Sierra On-Line, Inc.

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T2 and ICR2- let's see some best times

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