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performance in GPL using both the new G2 GTS (Creative version) and the old
V3-3000. The results are a surprise to me, and hope they are of use to you.

All tests carried out at Monaco, with 19 AI drivers, full graphics options
and detail bias, maximum number of sounds.

System Spec.
Intel PIII-550 o/c to 682 (124MHz bus)
Intel BX Chipset motherboard
256Mb RAM
Soundblaster AWE64 (ISA) Bus

Drivers used:
Geforce - Creative's own, based on Nvidia 5.22 - released 1st June 2000
Voodoo - 3DFX reference drivers v4.12.01.1222 released 25 Jan 2000

Reading 1
At the back of the grid with all AI in front - race not started

Reading 2
At the back of the grid, with last AI driver disappearing at the RH bend

Reading 3
Still stationary, Framerate displayed just as you are kicked out of the
race.

                 Card/Mode
                 GF2/no FSAA *1      GF2/FSAA *2       V3-3000
                   1     2     3                1     2    3
1     2    3
Resolution
1280           13  20   28               13   20   28              20  29
36

1024           14  21    29              14   21   29              24   36
36

800             15  23    29              15   23    30             26   36
36

NOTE: GF2 set to both 16 or 32bit colour - made no difference to the results
 Voodoo3 uses 16bit colour by default
*1 OpenGL driver default settings used - mirrors flickering
*2 Buffer Flipping set to Block mode - resolving flicketing mirror problem.

Conclusions

The Voodoo 3 outperforms the Geforce 2 GTS in all resolutions, offering the
best game performance available. It was interesting to note that there was
no framrate decrease when using FSAA - although the slider control was set
only to its default 1/3 position - and no real visible difference was found.
(Maybe if I wind up the slider to max I'll see something?)

Reasons for this are proably due to the better native software support for
the 3DFX chipset in GPL, compared to the OpenGL interpretation. Remember,
the Nvidia card is new, and drivers may well be developed to improve on
this, but just how far can you go?

My next test will be on EA's F1 2000 - does anybody know of a framerate tool
for this?

Regards,

Keith Archer

performance in GPL using both the new G2 GTS (Creative version) and the old
V3-3000. The results are a surprise to me, and hope they are of use to you.

All tests carried out at Monaco, with 19 AI drivers, full graphics options
and detail bias, maximum number of sounds.

System Spec.
Intel PIII-550 o/c to 682 (124MHz bus)
Intel BX Chipset motherboard
256Mb RAM
Soundblaster AWE64 (ISA) Bus

Drivers used:
Geforce - Creative's own, based on Nvidia 5.22 - released 1st June 2000
Voodoo - 3DFX reference drivers v4.12.01.1222 released 25 Jan 2000

Reading 1
At the back of the grid with all AI in front - race not started

Reading 2
At the back of the grid, with last AI driver disappearing at the RH bend

Reading 3
Still stationary, Framerate displayed just as you are kicked out of the
race.

                 Card/Mode
                 GF2/no FSAA *1      GF2/FSAA *2       V3-3000
                   1     2     3                1     2    3
1     2    3
Resolution
1280           13  20   28               13   20   28              20  29
36

1024           14  21    29              14   21   29              24   36
36

800             15  23    29              15   23    30             26   36
36

NOTE: GF2 set to both 16 or 32bit colour - made no difference to the results
 Voodoo3 uses 16bit colour by default
*1 OpenGL driver default settings used - mirrors flickering
*2 Buffer Flipping set to Block mode - resolving flicketing mirror problem.

Conclusions

The Voodoo 3 outperforms the Geforce 2 GTS in all resolutions, offering the
best game performance available. It was interesting to note that there was
no framrate decrease when using FSAA - although the slider control was set
only to its default 1/3 position - and no real visible difference was found.
(Maybe if I wind up the slider to max I'll see something?)

Reasons for this are proably due to the better native software support for
the 3DFX chipset in GPL, compared to the OpenGL interpretation. Remember,
the Nvidia card is new, and drivers may well be developed to improve on
this, but just how far can you go?

My next test will be on EA's F1 2000 - does anybody know of a framerate tool
for this?

Regards,

Keith Archer

performance in GPL using both the new G2 GTS (Creative version) and the old
V3-3000. The results are a surprise to me, and hope they are of use to you.

All tests carried out at Monaco, with 19 AI drivers, full graphics options
and detail bias, maximum number of sounds.

System Spec.
Intel PIII-550 o/c to 682 (124MHz bus)
Intel BX Chipset motherboard
256Mb RAM
Soundblaster AWE64 (ISA) Bus

Drivers used:
Geforce - Creative's own, based on Nvidia 5.22 - released 1st June 2000
Voodoo - 3DFX reference drivers v4.12.01.1222 released 25 Jan 2000

Reading 1
At the back of the grid with all AI in front - race not started

Reading 2
At the back of the grid, with last AI driver disappearing at the RH bend

Reading 3
Still stationary, Framerate displayed just as you are kicked out of the
race.

                 Card/Mode
                 GF2/no FSAA *1      GF2/FSAA *2       V3-3000
                   1     2     3                1     2    3
1     2    3
Resolution
1280           13  20   28               13   20   28              20  29
36

1024           14  21    29              14   21   29              24   36
36

800             15  23    29              15   23    30             26   36
36

NOTE: GF2 set to both 16 or 32bit colour - made no difference to the results
 Voodoo3 uses 16bit colour by default
*1 OpenGL driver default settings used - mirrors flickering
*2 Buffer Flipping set to Block mode - resolving flicketing mirror problem.

Conclusions

The Voodoo 3 outperforms the Geforce 2 GTS in all resolutions, offering the
best game performance available. It was interesting to note that there was
no framrate decrease when using FSAA - although the slider control was set
only to its default 1/3 position - and no real visible difference was found.
(Maybe if I wind up the slider to max I'll see something?)

Reasons for this are proably due to the better native software support for
the 3DFX chipset in GPL, compared to the OpenGL interpretation. Remember,
the Nvidia card is new, and drivers may well be developed to improve on
this, but just how far can you go?

My next test will be on EA's F1 2000 - does anybody know of a framerate tool
for this?

Regards,

Keith Archer

performance in GPL using both the new G2 GTS (Creative version) and the old
V3-3000. The results are a surprise to me, and hope they are of use to you.

All tests carried out at Monaco, with 19 AI drivers, full graphics options
and detail bias, maximum number of sounds.

System Spec.
Intel PIII-550 o/c to 682 (124MHz bus)
Intel BX Chipset motherboard
256Mb RAM
Soundblaster AWE64 (ISA) Bus

Drivers used:
Geforce - Creative's own, based on Nvidia 5.22 - released 1st June 2000
Voodoo - 3DFX reference drivers v4.12.01.1222 released 25 Jan 2000

Reading 1
At the back of the grid with all AI in front - race not started

Reading 2
At the back of the grid, with last AI driver disappearing at the RH bend

Reading 3
Still stationary, Framerate displayed just as you are kicked out of the
race.

                 Card/Mode
                 GF2/no FSAA *1      GF2/FSAA *2       V3-3000
                   1     2     3                1     2    3
1     2    3
Resolution
1280           13  20   28               13   20   28              20  29
36

1024           14  21    29              14   21   29              24   36
36

800             15  23    29              15   23    30             26   36
36

NOTE: GF2 set to both 16 or 32bit colour - made no difference to the results
 Voodoo3 uses 16bit colour by default
*1 OpenGL driver default settings used - mirrors flickering
*2 Buffer Flipping set to Block mode - resolving flicketing mirror problem.

Conclusions

The Voodoo 3 outperforms the Geforce 2 GTS in all resolutions, offering the
best game performance available. It was interesting to note that there was
no framrate decrease when using FSAA - although the slider control was set
only to its default 1/3 position - and no real visible difference was found.
(Maybe if I wind up the slider to max I'll see something?)

Reasons for this are proably due to the better native software support for
the 3DFX chipset in GPL, compared to the OpenGL interpretation. Remember,
the Nvidia card is new, and drivers may well be developed to improve on
this, but just how far can you go?

My next test will be on EA's F1 2000 - does anybody know of a framerate tool
for this?

Regards,

Keith Archer

Good post.  But a little old by the fourth time :-)

You might want to try reducing the sounds so as to ensure that you aren't
soundcard or (much more likely) totally CPU limited.  Then you might better
see the impact of the vidcard.

www.fraps.com

You wouldn't also happen to have NFS:Porsche and/or some flight sims to try,
would you?

        ...Klinn

<big snip>

Maybe you have to "force" FSAA?  I had to do that in order to see FSAA
results in lots of older games.  If that's the case, and you didn't have
FSAA forced, then there was no difference because FSAA wasn't enabled.

Jerry Morelock

Now I'll do some testing with F1 2000.

Sorry I don't have any decent flight sims (except if you count DID's Total Air
War), and don't own NFS to test either.

I'm going to repeat the tests with the number of sounds set back to its normal
4, and then again with the FSAA forced incrementally higher.

I just hope the old AGP socket is up to it!

Back soon,

Keith

How much difference does the soundcard make to frame rate?  It's about the
only thing in my PC that has never been upgraded -- I'm still on an old
SB16.  Never thought to change it, since it stills sounds fine... but if it
is affecting my GPL framerate, well that's another thing altogether!

Vintook

Jens

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:43:24 +0100, "russell.whitworth"

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