Hi Joe,
Looks like you found it okay. Sorry I wasn't more explicit about where
to get it, I'll have to put a link on my site for it.
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Hi Joe,
Looks like you found it okay. Sorry I wasn't more explicit about where
to get it, I'll have to put a link on my site for it.
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
I'd be happy to do that. It's late here, so I'll do it in the morning.
Bill
>Bill,
>>Yeah, that's got me scratching my head too. I wonder what's different
about
>>his machine..........?
>Me three. 8). There's another fellow that reported it worked for him,
>too, and with the Profiler running. I still think there has to be
>something going on in the calibration data. Nobody is reporting
>'Joystick Not Connected' so the driver is apparently failing the
>reads, the data just looks bad to whomever is receiving it. I'd like
>to get a look at what that data is looking like, would you be
>interested in exporting:
The wheel is calibrated when you boot your computer.
It is on the gadgets page and will clear your registry of the calib values
and every joystick device listed (if I read the page properly).
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Hi Andre,
I do, too. See my response to Bill. If you'd care to do the registry
key export, that data might help sort it out.
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com
Andre
>Hi Andre,
>>After a lot of trying I gave up too Bill, but I still wonder why it
>>works fine with Brad's LWMFF...
>I do, too. See my response to Bill. If you'd care to do the registry
>key export, that data might help sort it out.
>- Bob
>The StickWorks
>http://www.stickworks.com
Andre,
I'd say leave it Off, sounds like it would be less likely to
interefere and I've always preferred knowing when my stuff was being
calibrated anyway. How do you calibrate the stick when it's 'Off',
though?
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com
Andre
>>I'd say leave it Off, sounds like it would be less likely to
>>interefere and I've always preferred knowing when my stuff was being
>>calibrated anyway. How do you calibrate the stick when it's 'Off',
>>though?
>>- Bob
>The Logitech calibrates by turning itself left and right when autocalibration
>is enabled. When autocalibration is disabled, we need to turn the wheel
>manually all the way to each side. This is needed only after the computer
>is turned on/off. The accel and brake pedals need only be calibrated once,
>when the logitech software is first installed.
>Just to add data to this, it's working on my system (and it's great, thanks Bob,
>already set 2 personal bests on a couple of GPL tracks today). I'm running
>win98, the Logitech FF wheel is on USB and running the latest Logitech 3.20
>software. I have autocalibration set to "off".
>And I've never ran any sort of deadzone utility (possible culprit?)
>before on this system. The only other thing I tried was DXtweak, and with
>the R value not at default using Dxtweak, then with CTFJ running, GPL didn't
>even see my brake pedals. Resetting the R value back to default in DXtweak
>fixed that.
Andre's solution works for me too!! It took a couple of tries, and a few
re-boots and recalibrations, but now everything is just beautiful. I've
discovered that the Logitech Profiler can be running or not - CTFJ works
regardless now. However, I DON'T load any Logitech profiles upon running
the game.
I can REALLY notice the difference that CTFJ makes with the wheel - pinpoint
adjustment ability, and I'm absolutely convinced that the wheel action is
much smoother.
Thanks for*** in there with us, Bob. And thanks to Brad and Andre,
too for their info!
Now, if I could just figure out why Logitech refers to my Formula Force in
the Registsry as a "RallyForce USB"..............
Regards,
Bill
>Andre,
>>THE SOLUTION:
>>Download DXTweak.exe from www.wingmanteam.com
>>run it
>>press 'reset defaults'
>>exit
>>and then CFTJ works perfect!
>>At least on my system, but I guess it should work with your systems
>>too.
>I think you've got it! 8). After checking some data that Bill sent and
>Brad posted, it all makes some sense. I wrote it up in a post to Bill
>if you're interested in the details.
>Great work! Thanks!
>- Bob
>The StickWorks
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Andre's solution works for me too!! It took a couple of tries, and a few
re-boots and recalibrations, but now everything is just beautiful. I've
discovered that the Logitech Profiler can be running or not - CTFJ works
regardless now. However, I DON'T load any Logitech profiles upon running
the game.
I can REALLY notice the difference that CTFJ makes with the wheel - pinpoint
adjustment ability, and I'm absolutely convinced that the wheel action is
much smoother.
Thanks for*** in there with us, Bob. And thanks to Brad and Andre,
too for their info!
Now, if I could just figure out why Logitech refers to my Formula Force in
the Registsry as a "RallyForce USB"..............
Regards,
Bill
>Andre,
>>THE SOLUTION:
>>Download DXTweak.exe from www.wingmanteam.com
>>run it
>>press 'reset defaults'
>>exit
>>and then CFTJ works perfect!
>>At least on my system, but I guess it should work with your systems
>>too.
>I think you've got it! 8). After checking some data that Bill sent and
>Brad posted, it all makes some sense. I wrote it up in a post to Bill
>if you're interested in the details.
>Great work! Thanks!
>- Bob
>The StickWorks
>http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Download DXTweak.exe from www.wingmanteam.com
run it
press 'reset defaults'
exit
and then CFTJ works perfect!
At least on my system, but I guess it should work with your systems
too.
Andre
>Andre
>>>I'd say leave it Off, sounds like it would be less likely to
>>>interefere and I've always preferred knowing when my stuff was being
>>>calibrated anyway. How do you calibrate the stick when it's 'Off',
>>>though?
>>>- Bob
>>The Logitech calibrates by turning itself left and right when autocalibration
>>is enabled. When autocalibration is disabled, we need to turn the wheel
>>manually all the way to each side. This is needed only after the computer
>>is turned on/off. The accel and brake pedals need only be calibrated once,
>>when the logitech software is first installed.
>>Just to add data to this, it's working on my system (and it's great, thanks Bob,
>>already set 2 personal bests on a couple of GPL tracks today). I'm running
>>win98, the Logitech FF wheel is on USB and running the latest Logitech 3.20
>>software. I have autocalibration set to "off".
>>And I've never ran any sort of deadzone utility (possible culprit?)
>>before on this system. The only other thing I tried was DXtweak, and with
>>the R value not at default using Dxtweak, then with CTFJ running, GPL didn't
>>even see my brake pedals. Resetting the R value back to default in DXtweak
>>fixed that.
Hi Bill,
Thanks! I got the data just fine, and it did explain what's happening.
Andre seems to have the solution already figured out, and it looks
like he's right - it should fix it right up.
What's happening is that the registry calibration data for the LWFF in
your Pre-CTFJ file is all zeroes. The wheel works with that,
apparently, so I'm guessing the system is deriving the data from the
USB devices themselves when the registry data is zeroed. I'm not sure
under what conditions the registry gets zeroed, certainly ClrCalib
will do that, but apparently re-adding the LWFF doesn't restore the
values.
CTFJ can't work with the zeroed data. To make matters worse, it makes
minor adjustments to the registry data itself, resulting in the
modification of some of the zeroes. Those changes, apparently, are
enough to convince the system that there is calibration data present
in the registry, so it starts trying to scale with the wierdest set of
min/center/max values it's probably ever seen. Things go downhill from
there. 8).
Looking at the registry calibration values from Brads GPL.CFG file,
his are not zeroed, they're all set to 0-328-655 except the X value,
which is close to that but has obviously gone through some
calibration, probably from the startup calibration routine.
Some checking seems to show that the DXTweak utility restores the
0-328-655 values when you hit the 'Defaults' button. That puts real
data back into the registry. CTFJ can come up with the min and max
values that it needs to work and everything runs fine, which is
exactly what Andre found.
So, try this:
Run ClrCalib
Delete CTFJ.DAT
Add the Wheel back in the Control Panel and get it running
Run DXTweak and reset the Defaults
Run CTFJ and hit the 'Center Axes' buttons
The wheel has to be installed for DXTweak to restore the calibration
data, otherwise it just leaves it zeroed.
Give that a try and see if it helps with yours, too.
Thanks again for sending the REG files! They were a great help!
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com
Andre,
I think you've got it! 8). After checking some data that Bill sent and
Brad posted, it all makes some sense. I wrote it up in a post to Bill
if you're interested in the details.
Great work! Thanks!
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com
Hi Will,
Thanks for the info, and congratulations on the track times! Sounds
like you're set. It looks like Andre has found the solution to the
CTFJ/LWFF mystery, hopefully it will work for everyone.
Interesting about the autocalibration procedure. I was thinking of
'autocal' as happening in the sense that the data adjusts to new max
and min values continuously. It sounds like it's doing that in either
mode, it's just that autocal moves the wheel for you, or it may be
that it's smarter in autocal and only adjusts the values while it's
moving the wheel. Strange that they don't seem to put the calibration
data back out into the registry when the data is set to zero, though.
Anyway, it looks like it's sorted out Thanks again!
- Bob
The StickWorks
http://www.stickworks.com
It worked for me, too!
Thanks for taking the time to help sort this out, Bob. CTFJ is a jewel -
I'm able to tweak my wheel to exactly how I want it, and I'm convinced its
response is smoother than before. The ability to tweak the Range on the
Brake axis is especially helpful!
Thanks also to Brad and Andre for helping out as well.
Now, if I could just figure out why Logitech refers, in the Registry, to my
Formula Force USB wheel as a "RallyForce USB"........<g>.
Regards,
Bill
>Hi Bill,
>>I'd be happy to do that. It's late here, so I'll do it in the morning.
>Thanks! I got the data just fine, and it did explain what's happening.
>Andre seems to have the solution already figured out, and it looks
>like he's right - it should fix it right up.
>What's happening is that the registry calibration data for the LWFF in
>your Pre-CTFJ file is all zeroes. The wheel works with that,
>apparently, so I'm guessing the system is deriving the data from the
>USB devices themselves when the registry data is zeroed. I'm not sure
>under what conditions the registry gets zeroed, certainly ClrCalib
>will do that, but apparently re-adding the LWFF doesn't restore the
>values.
>CTFJ can't work with the zeroed data. To make matters worse, it makes
>minor adjustments to the registry data itself, resulting in the
>modification of some of the zeroes. Those changes, apparently, are
>enough to convince the system that there is calibration data present
>in the registry, so it starts trying to scale with the wierdest set of
>min/center/max values it's probably ever seen. Things go downhill from
>there. 8).
>Looking at the registry calibration values from Brads GPL.CFG file,
>his are not zeroed, they're all set to 0-328-655 except the X value,
>which is close to that but has obviously gone through some
>calibration, probably from the startup calibration routine.
>Some checking seems to show that the DXTweak utility restores the
>0-328-655 values when you hit the 'Defaults' button. That puts real
>data back into the registry. CTFJ can come up with the min and max
>values that it needs to work and everything runs fine, which is
>exactly what Andre found.
>So, try this:
> Run ClrCalib
> Delete CTFJ.DAT
> Add the Wheel back in the Control Panel and get it running
> Run DXTweak and reset the Defaults
> Run CTFJ and hit the 'Center Axes' buttons
>The wheel has to be installed for DXTweak to restore the calibration
>data, otherwise it just leaves it zeroed.
>Give that a try and see if it helps with yours, too.
>Thanks again for sending the REG files! They were a great help!
>- Bob
>The StickWorks
>http://www.stickworks.com
Andre
>Hi Will,
>>The Logitech calibrates by turning itself left and right when autocalibration
>>is enabled. When autocalibration is disabled, we need to turn the wheel
>>manually all the way to each side. This is needed only after the computer
>>is turned on/off. The accel and brake pedals need only be calibrated once,
>>when the logitech software is first installed.
>>Just to add data to this, it's working on my system (and it's great, thanks Bob,
>>already set 2 personal bests on a couple of GPL tracks today). I'm running
>>win98, the Logitech FF wheel is on USB and running the latest Logitech 3.20
>>software. I have autocalibration set to "off".
>>And I've never ran any sort of deadzone utility (possible culprit?)
>>before on this system. The only other thing I tried was DXtweak, and with
>>the R value not at default using Dxtweak, then with CTFJ running, GPL didn't
>>even see my brake pedals. Resetting the R value back to default in DXtweak
>>fixed that.
>Thanks for the info, and congratulations on the track times! Sounds
>like you're set. It looks like Andre has found the solution to the
>CTFJ/LWFF mystery, hopefully it will work for everyone.
>Interesting about the autocalibration procedure. I was thinking of
>'autocal' as happening in the sense that the data adjusts to new max
>and min values continuously. It sounds like it's doing that in either
>mode, it's just that autocal moves the wheel for you, or it may be
>that it's smarter in autocal and only adjusts the values while it's
>moving the wheel. Strange that they don't seem to put the calibration
>data back out into the registry when the data is set to zero, though.
>Anyway, it looks like it's sorted out Thanks again!
>- Bob
>The StickWorks
>http://www.stickworks.com