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OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

Txl

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Txl » Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:51:52

unfortunately you are right but it shouldn't be as bad in Europe because you
don't make as much money as in the states...so the incentive should be a bit
less, but true nevertheless.

istof

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by istof » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:47:06

i remember Lemond beat the hot favourite to win it that year (his
first?).  it made for exciting television with the commentators
calling out the times.  it was very dramatic.  if memory serves it was
a frenchman he beat so the crowd was probably not very happy :)

great race though.  started watching it every year from that moment
on...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:10:42 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^=



>>I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete.
>>Unfortunately they don't get enough credit.  Especially in North
>>America.

>Lance is beginning to turn that around.  

>Greg LeMond was virtually ignored even through he, too, had to
>overcome a life-threatening medical crisis (he was accidentally shot
>by his brother-in-law) and came back to win the most exciting tour
>ever when he won the maillot Jaune (sp?) in a time trial on the
>event's final day by a scant 8 seconds -- the closest finish ever...

>And outside the cycling community, he remained almost unknown...

Regards all,
istoff
A Thoma

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by A Thoma » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:09:06



> >They said the same thing about Greg LeMond.  Wonder if it might be a
> >coincidence that they're both Americans.

> >Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being.

> I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete.
> Unfortunately they don't get enough credit.  Especially in North
> America.

I remember reading last year , possibly on rec.bicycles.racing that most
American people value an Olympic cycling title above that of winning Le Tour
which demonstrates the understanding of the average Yank regarding cycling .

An Olympic road race medal is a relatively unimportant title in cycling
compared to winning the Tour . Winning the latter gives a rider instant
respect among his peers and a place in cycling's history books . I have a
book in the house entitled "Kings of the Road" about the great races and
riders of the past few decades and no-where is the Olympic road race
mentioned.

Despite this , the US has managed to produce a few classy road racers with
Lemond and Armstrong obviously shining brightest . Armstrong has seemed
invincible this year which goes to demonstrate that uses his head to train
for the races which count . He probably studied the route of the Tour when
announced back in November and worked out what kind of preparation he would
need for his third Tour win . Ullrich on the other hand probably stuck to
the same old routine and helped himself to all the  sausages and cakes he
could eat .

As much as I hate seeing a Yank beat us at what is a European sport , I
can't help respecting the guy for his achievements .

AT

Jon Van Ginneke

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Jon Van Ginneke » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:16:32



> > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete.

> Anybody who knows about the sport would agree with that, but they would
also
> agree that the people with the most money are the for mostly the ones at
the
> top.  It's normal, it's the same in motorsport.

Lance Armstrong was dirt poor as a ***...yet he was a very good triathelte.
The one's at the top have the most money b/c they are getting paid to do
that since they are at the top...not the same way in motorsports.
Outside of North America most good cyclists (pre pro racing) are the ones
w/o any money.

At the highest level this is true, but everyone goes through the lower
levels to get to the higher ones.  A good lower-level racer with a $1-2k
bike will always beat the wannabe with the $4-5k Colnago (ferrari of
bikes...just look at their website, if anybody wants to get me one of those
I would be very happy).  In motorsports it's much different; it's easier to
buy your way into being good at the lower levels...just go ahead an buy some
more hp.  Once the cyclist proves himself then he gets all those yummy pills
and shots which = hp. :-)

Jon

Dave Henri

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Dave Henri » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:10:46

  Ulrick in the past has been known to arrive at the Tour barely in shape.
But this year he seems quite capable.  The British commentator we get over
here in the States has commented several times how everyone would be
marveling at Ulrich's tour, except for the fact Armstrong is there.
  They have said he even looks in better shape than the year he did win the
tour.
  Great picture in today's newspaper, Ulrich and Armstrong shaking hands
while crossing the finish.
  US Olympic Cyclists?   I can't think of any.  I'm only a casual fan at
best, but certainly I know the place of the Tour.  That is like saying the
Americans put more emphasis on the Petite Le Mans.  The Atlanta race may get
more exposure due to being held here in the states, but anyone who knows
what endurance racing is, knows about a certain event in France.
dave henrie




> > >They said the same thing about Greg LeMond.  Wonder if it might be a
> > >coincidence that they're both Americans.

> > >Lance Armstrong is an absolutely amazing human being.

> > I think anyone who races the Tour De France is an amazing athelete.
> > Unfortunately they don't get enough credit.  Especially in North
> > America.

> I remember reading last year , possibly on rec.bicycles.racing that most
> American people value an Olympic cycling title above that of winning Le
Tour
> which demonstrates the understanding of the average Yank regarding cycling
.

> An Olympic road race medal is a relatively unimportant title in cycling
> compared to winning the Tour . Winning the latter gives a rider instant
> respect among his peers and a place in cycling's history books . I have a
> book in the house entitled "Kings of the Road" about the great races and
> riders of the past few decades and no-where is the Olympic road race
> mentioned.

> Despite this , the US has managed to produce a few classy road racers with
> Lemond and Armstrong obviously shining brightest . Armstrong has seemed
> invincible this year which goes to demonstrate that uses his head to train
> for the races which count . He probably studied the route of the Tour when
> announced back in November and worked out what kind of preparation he
would
> need for his third Tour win . Ullrich on the other hand probably stuck to
> the same old routine and helped himself to all the  sausages and cakes he
> could eat .

> As much as I hate seeing a Yank beat us at what is a European sport , I
> can't help respecting the guy for his achievements .

> AT

Txl

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Txl » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:37:28

it's too bad the americans didn't get interested in the "grande boucle"
sooner, they have missed the TREMENDOUS Anquetil Vs Poulidor era, then the
Mercx Vs rest of the world era, then the Hinault (best to date) era, they
probably started hearing about it with Lemond who was a great champion,
probably better than Armstrong because he had more than 1 opponent,
unfortunately over the last 3 years with all this EPO stuff the contest has
been reducing to Armstrong Vs Ulrich (Bye virenque and pantani) and
everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun anymore,
until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

Don't forget to watch the next stages this week (the last) the mountains are
done with but the flat stages generally make for spectacular arrivals, like
10 guys coming at 60-70 kph in the last 250 meters.

Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the
green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last 5
times wants it back...

ok, over with rec.bicycle.tour de france and back to this f....k nascar 4
who won't run online with a patched exe file !!!

David G Fishe

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:45:42

What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few
stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and
then retire from the tour in the mountains.

Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other
rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
interesting than it is this year.

David G Fisher


(Bye virenque and pantani) and

Ben Colema

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Ben Colema » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:51:10


>Especially interesting since O'grady (Australia, anybody home ?) has the
>green jersey (points ranking) and Zabel (Germany) who has won it the last 5
>times wants it back...

Sure am home....I missed some coverage over the past few days but can't wait
to see how O'Grady finishes.  It's been a while since an Aussie was wearing
a leader's jersey for any length of time!

Ben

Dave Henri

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Dave Henri » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:00:07

  Pantani virtually killed himself trying to prove he could outclimb
Armstrong.  On the big hill last year, Armstrong rode in Pantani's shadow
for most of the climb, then at the very end, eased up to allow Pantani the
victory..Similar to how LA followed Lars up the hill.  This act of respect
by Armstrong was misinterpreted and infuriated the Pirate so much he rode
the next climbing stage without any thought of strategy...only the intense
desire humiliate Armstrong.  (he withdrew from the Tour the next morning
after his body practically decomposed from within)
  I don't think the Pirate would have been a threat for the over all Tour in
2001, certainly he might have taken a stage or two, but he cooked himself
last year.
dave henrie



> What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few
> stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and
> then retire from the tour in the mountains.

> Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other
> rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
> interesting than it is this year.

> David G Fisher



> (Bye virenque and pantani) and
> > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun
anymore,
> > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

David G Fishe

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:00:54

For some reason his name just came to me. Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not
Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name.

David G Fisher



> Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other
> rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
> interesting than it is this year.

> David G Fisher



> (Bye virenque and pantani) and
> > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun
anymore,
> > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

Dave Henri

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Dave Henri » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:05:53



  That is a sure sign of what my wife calls 'Dave Disease'
I can think of a 1000 details about a subject, but ask me the name and I
blank....then later, without effort it will magically surface...
see a doctor  :)
dave henrie

 Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not

David G Fishe

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:11:48

Boy do I have that disease. I am absolutely horrible with names, especially
when I NEED to remember them. I do though have my 15 digit drivers license #
memorized for some unknown reason.  :-)

David G Fisher




> > For some reason his name just came to me.
>   That is a sure sign of what my wife calls 'Dave Disease'
> I can think of a 1000 details about a subject, but ask me the name and I
> blank....then later, without effort it will magically surface...
> see a doctor  :)
> dave henrie

>  Bjarne Riis from Denmark. Not
> > Belgium. Still can't remember the sprinter's name.

> > David G Fisher

David G Fishe

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:16:19

No, Pantani was not going to win, but he was fun to watch in the mountains.
He did win it all in '98 though. Is he even still racing? I've heard no
reasons for Pantani and Zule not being in the race. Have they retired, or
did they just skip the Tour this year?

David G Fisher


>   Pantani virtually killed himself trying to prove he could outclimb
> Armstrong.  On the big hill last year, Armstrong rode in Pantani's shadow
> for most of the climb, then at the very end, eased up to allow Pantani the
> victory..Similar to how LA followed Lars up the hill.  This act of respect
> by Armstrong was misinterpreted and infuriated the Pirate so much he rode
> the next climbing stage without any thought of strategy...only the intense
> desire humiliate Armstrong.  (he withdrew from the Tour the next morning
> after his body practically decomposed from within)
>   I don't think the Pirate would have been a threat for the over all Tour
in
> 2001, certainly he might have taken a stage or two, but he cooked himself
> last year.
> dave henrie



> > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a
few
> > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages,
and
> > then retire from the tour in the mountains.

> > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one
other
> > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
> > interesting than it is this year.

> > David G Fisher



> > (Bye virenque and pantani) and
> > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun
> anymore,
> > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

Rob Adam

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by Rob Adam » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:59:34

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is a pure
sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years. Pretty
flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn't have a
ton of respect for him though - win the bunch sprints then disappear: not
really riding the Tour as such...



> What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a few
> stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages, and
> then retire from the tour in the mountains.

> Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one other
> rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
> interesting than it is this year.

> David G Fisher



> (Bye virenque and pantani) and
> > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun
anymore,
> > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...

David G Fishe

OT: Tour de France...what a climber!

by David G Fishe » Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:34:49

Yes, that's him. Thanks. I wonder why he's not in the Tour this year.

David G Fisher


> I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the Italian Mario Cippolini. He is a
pure
> sprinter and won a bunch of stages over the last couple of years. Pretty
> flashy guy too - the media loved him. I'm sure the climbers didn't have a
> ton of respect for him though - win the bunch sprints then disappear: not
> really riding the Tour as such...



> > What is the name of the fantastic (and flamboyant) sprinter who won a
few
> > stages in the tour last year? Each year he would win some flat stages,
and
> > then retire from the tour in the mountains.

> > Along with him, the tour is missing Virenque, Pantani, Zule, and one
other
> > rider (top rider for many years from Belgium, I think) that made it more
> > interesting than it is this year.

> > David G Fisher



> > (Bye virenque and pantani) and
> > > everybody knows that Armstrong is better, so it's not really fun
> anymore,
> > > until Armstrong starts to go down and the next guy comes around...


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