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Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends?  Goto  http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Technically, Jack IS a liar.  He said that GPal would be out on a certain date.
 It wasn't.  That makes him a liar.  A fraud is someone who promises something
they can't (or won't) deliver.  Again, that description DOES fit Jack. Now the
reasons WHY it isn't out can be speculated about and discussed, but both points
are currently factual and correct.  Personally, I've written the program off.
If it ever sees the light of day, and does what was promised, I'll be one of
the first people offering congrats, thanks, whatever.  I'm not holding my
breath, though.

Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends?  Goto  http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

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Chuck Kandler  #70
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They'll call you names
And spit in your face,
But legends never die.   --Gene Simmons

I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me that there
only was a problem with the installerer, and that it would took him a
couple of hours extra to solve that problem. Last thing I heard from
him, he also never replied to my emails after that.

Maybe Jack was too optimistic and realized that he promised us a
little bit too much, that he couldn't make his promises become
reality, but disappearing from the scene after all the hype was
without any style, and was asking for reactions like these.
If he simple would have admitted that he couldn't finish GPaL, for
whatever reason, everybody would have understand, and I'm sure many
would have offered help to finish GPaL.

I can understand your reaction, calling Jack a liar and a fraud sounds
harsh, but I hope you can understand my reaction when people still ask
about GPaL, people stumble upon the GPaL site (GPaL is allmost
finished, sign the mailing list!) and keep asking about it, while Jack
doesn't appear here anymore.

Your statement that I can't comment on the whole GPaL case because I
didn't release something for the GPL community (I think I offer my
help often enough actually) doesn't make any sense to me at all by the
way. That would mean that people only can comment on racing sims when
they have released a racing sim themselves...

Andre

[GPaL]
    Andre> I was on the beta-tester/distributer team, he mailed me
    Andre> that there only was a problem with the installerer, and

Did you test any version at all? If it was just the installer I guess
the program itself was almost ready? Just curious...

-peter

Andre

Nope again. A fraud is someone who is doing it on purpose. Again, you
can't prove this in Jack's case...

Remco

He should have answered you, I agree with that.

I agree that after all this hype Jack should have been more clear. But
I believe there were major problems in Jack's personal life.

Here I disagree, since you can't prove that Jack is a liar and/or
fraud. IMO you may attack Jack's PR approach, but telling lies is
going too far. Don't forget that this is a public forum.

Actually, I didn't say such a thing.

Remco

ok

He was too busy with his new job he said to be precize.
Again, in his last mail he sent me, he told me that GPaL was ready,
and that he only had to sort out the installer problem. That should be
possible in a year, even if you have such a busy job?

GPaL Tonight!!!
No GPaL Tonight!!!
What's that? Call it what you want, a fake promise, too much
positivity, or a lie...

You said:
Jack also gave us NTT, and with GPaL he tried to give the GPL
community something for free. Can you say the same?

Ok, I didn't give something to the GPL community (except my help), so
what? If you didn't mean 'shut up Andre, we didn't get anything from
you, so don't start about GPaL', what did you mean by this?

Andre

BTW, I'm not defending Jack's actions here. I just thought that
calling Jack a liar and fraud in public isn't fun anymore....

Remco

Ok, I didn't understand that you meant it that way. I can imagine very
well how that would be. Yet, if Jack would have handled things
differently (sorry guys, I promised too much, can't hold those
promises) it would have been a completely different story than the way
he handled things now (ie not responding at all).

Ok, that was a little bit out of line (just a little bit, mind you).
Jack was a nice fellow, one of the more prominent figures in the GPL
scene. I just can't understand why he doesn't respond here on RAS at
all. He knows people are waiting and wondering about GPaL, no matter
how busy he is, surely he can tell us something?

By the way, he posted this post on 22/9/99:

I understand that there has been some speculation, but does anybody
know whatever happened to that GPaL thing?

Thanks in advance. ;)

Jack Rambo

REALLY annoyed me, especially since he didn't post anything after that
message...

You know Remco, every night when I go to sleep, I hear these
Southpark-like voices whispering in my ear... gjeepaaal gjeeepaaal
gjeeeepaaaal... it driving me nuts man!

Andre

Eldred
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Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends?  Goto  http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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These four elements must be present to prove fraud "in the U.S.".
Bill Yowell

I was joking of course. Does anyone remember the first drummer in Spinal Tap
dying in his horticultural haven. I believe all of the others spontaneously
combusted.

I did actually see Jack on VROC not so long ago. Wonder if he runs under an
assumed name these days?
The guy lost all credability simply by his lack of honest openness.

MS

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