Marc.
> We (PDPI) were originally going to stay out of the controller market as
> manufacturers, and simply supply our expertise in the interface dept. as a
> B->B (business to business) company (in the form of licensing). As we have
> done so far in a matter of speaking with the L4.
> We demonstrated to all (ALL of them), and they were very surprised with our
> accomplishments. However, when the fact that it would cost them literally
> $1.80 per unit more (after cost of chip and licensing were calculated) was
> presented... they all pretty much had the same answer... "We don't think
> that the users will notice the difference in resolution and other
> features... so we cannot justify the increase in price...". Furthermore...
> they don't seem to think that you particularly notice ANY of the
> shortcomings, and with a bit of marketing they could overcome it (leave you
>***).
> So... realistically there is a potential for someone to mass produce a
> controller that meets the needs of the consumer in the form of quality. WE
> are who aspire to do such. ECCI and TSW are among our friends since they are
> the ONLY people who saw our technology and said "that is the ONLY USB
> implementation we would consider using since we are quality oriented." I
> have a very good relationship with these guys, and I have ZERO reservations
> in referring their products (they make a great product and are consumer
> oriented in the end).
> I sincerely wish that those who are champions of the other controller
> manufacturers, had sit in on one of these meetings I had with them to see
> just how oblivious they are to your needs. I am not saying this as a
> competitor (since I have no product to compare... yet...), but rather as a
> Sim Racer who walked away thoroughly disgusted with the attitude. "I" am the
> guy who moved PDPI into the controller market, "I" am the guy who went out
> and raised the capital to enable this cause, "I" am the guy who wants an
> affordable controller of quality, and "I" am the guy who will make DAMN SURE
> that it is possible. Don't classify me as a marter... I am just like you...
> a guy who wants more, and has seen that it can be achieved at an affordable
> price. So shoot me for being a Sim fan who wants more, and has been put in a
> position to make a difference in the hobby I just ruined by making it my job
> (and dropping 3 profitable businesses to accomplish this cause in your
> request.) I don't want your simpathy, and I don't want your encouragement...
> I just want a wheel that I can call "perfect" in every aspect including
> price! It CAN BE DONE, and WILL BE DONE.
> Everyone can curse me for being vague at this point, and others can curse me
> for putting down the rest. In the end... I am simply holding the others
> accountable for attrocious oversights and even worse results. I, or should I
> say "we" are on YOUR SIDE. WE want a better controller (in all genres), and
> have worked our ass off to make it happen.
> Curse us now... you'll love us soon... I am confident of this.
> BTW... come May... I'll put our achievements against the rest at E3, and we
> "expect" controller of the year hands down. The others simply aren't even
> CLOSE to us in interface technology, but then this isn't big news... we have
> been carrying them for a while now in the analog side. Just wait until you
> see what we have done for USB :)))))))))))
> Cheers,
> Shumi
> P.S. Not directed at any particular reply..... just a general reply to the
> thread that seems to have caused some controversy regarding my presence and
> demand of accountability from the other controller manufacturers.
>> My only point was that it is easy to design a top-notch product (we're not
>> talking rocket science with FFB steering controllers) if price point is
> not
>> an issue. Since it is an issue for 99% of the purchasers out there, it
>> should be considered. The issue was addressed satisfactorily in the reply
> to
>> my post, though.
>> Marc.
>>>> Any idea when???? This sounds very exciting. Of course, remember that
>> some
>>>> of us are on a budget, too. The Ferrari wheel is only $179 Canadian
>> (that's
>>>> about $110 U.S.).
>>> ECCI recieved my business because they didn't compromise, regardless of
>> price.
>>> Although I would like to buy a FF wheel, there isn't anyone in the
> market
>> right
>>> now who hasn't compromised, and really, isn't that what all the
>> complaints
>>> are about ? Ask for the best, but don't ask for it cheap, we've already
>> got to
>>> many examples of that.
>>> --
>>> Don Scurlock
>>> Vancouver,B.C.
Greetings
Olaf
0% spring gain gives no resistance for RC2000 - 100% gives full force.
My conclusion is RC2000 is using the windows settings, GPL its own core.ini
settings
Despite these quirks I love the wheel - although I have not tried a
Logitech. The quirks just add realism to the Italian car badge - but then I
drive a 91 Alfa :)
Tony
> Marc.
> > > > The behaviour of your wheel indicates that you have a similar
problem,
> > > > i.e. that there is a bug in the driver, the wheel itself or in GPL
> > > > that makes spring force a bad thing.
> > If it helps that is exactly what I have been getting with this wheel. At
> > first I thought I must have damaged the suspension - but it kept
happening
> > after I knew I hadn't hit anything (honest!). If you turn right the
wheel
> > would "take over" and turn full right where it would stay!
> > I put it down to a driver bug - thanks for the advice to turn down the
> > spring gain :)
> > Tony
I would have to say that the Logi is probably your best bet currently.
However, I must also make note of the Act Labs F-RS (which is now
distributing directly in Europe), but then that wheel's pedals also have
some issues with them as well (travel is short and sticky).
Cheers,
Jason "Shumi" Murray
PDPI
> > Let me put this into perspective.
> > We (PDPI) were originally going to stay out of the controller market as
> > manufacturers, and simply supply our expertise in the interface dept. as
a
> > B->B (business to business) company (in the form of licensing). As we
have
> > done so far in a matter of speaking with the L4.
> > We demonstrated to all (ALL of them), and they were very surprised with
our
> > accomplishments. However, when the fact that it would cost them
literally
> > $1.80 per unit more (after cost of chip and licensing were calculated)
was
> > presented... they all pretty much had the same answer... "We don't think
> > that the users will notice the difference in resolution and other
> > features... so we cannot justify the increase in price...".
Furthermore...
> > they don't seem to think that you particularly notice ANY of the
> > shortcomings, and with a bit of marketing they could overcome it (leave
you
> >***).
> > So... realistically there is a potential for someone to mass produce a
> > controller that meets the needs of the consumer in the form of quality.
WE
> > are who aspire to do such. ECCI and TSW are among our friends since they
are
> > the ONLY people who saw our technology and said "that is the ONLY USB
> > implementation we would consider using since we are quality oriented." I
> > have a very good relationship with these guys, and I have ZERO
reservations
> > in referring their products (they make a great product and are consumer
> > oriented in the end).
> > I sincerely wish that those who are champions of the other controller
> > manufacturers, had sit in on one of these meetings I had with them to
see
> > just how oblivious they are to your needs. I am not saying this as a
> > competitor (since I have no product to compare... yet...), but rather as
a
> > Sim Racer who walked away thoroughly disgusted with the attitude. "I" am
the
> > guy who moved PDPI into the controller market, "I" am the guy who went
out
> > and raised the capital to enable this cause, "I" am the guy who wants an
> > affordable controller of quality, and "I" am the guy who will make DAMN
SURE
> > that it is possible. Don't classify me as a marter... I am just like
you...
> > a guy who wants more, and has seen that it can be achieved at an
affordable
> > price. So shoot me for being a Sim fan who wants more, and has been put
in a
> > position to make a difference in the hobby I just ruined by making it my
job
> > (and dropping 3 profitable businesses to accomplish this cause in your
> > request.) I don't want your simpathy, and I don't want your
encouragement...
> > I just want a wheel that I can call "perfect" in every aspect including
> > price! It CAN BE DONE, and WILL BE DONE.
> > Everyone can curse me for being vague at this point, and others can
curse me
> > for putting down the rest. In the end... I am simply holding the others
> > accountable for attrocious oversights and even worse results. I, or
should I
> > say "we" are on YOUR SIDE. WE want a better controller (in all genres),
and
> > have worked our ass off to make it happen.
> > Curse us now... you'll love us soon... I am confident of this.
> > BTW... come May... I'll put our achievements against the rest at E3, and
we
> > "expect" controller of the year hands down. The others simply aren't
even
> > CLOSE to us in interface technology, but then this isn't big news... we
have
> > been carrying them for a while now in the analog side. Just wait until
you
> > see what we have done for USB :)))))))))))
> > Cheers,
> > Shumi
> > P.S. Not directed at any particular reply..... just a general reply to
the
> > thread that seems to have caused some controversy regarding my presence
and
> > demand of accountability from the other controller manufacturers.
> >> My only point was that it is easy to design a top-notch product (we're
not
> >> talking rocket science with FFB steering controllers) if price point is
> > not
> >> an issue. Since it is an issue for 99% of the purchasers out there, it
> >> should be considered. The issue was addressed satisfactorily in the
reply
> > to
> >> my post, though.
> >> Marc.
> >>>> Any idea when???? This sounds very exciting. Of course, remember
that
> >> some
> >>>> of us are on a budget, too. The Ferrari wheel is only $179 Canadian
> >> (that's
> >>>> about $110 U.S.).
> >>> ECCI recieved my business because they didn't compromise, regardless
of
> >> price.
> >>> Although I would like to buy a FF wheel, there isn't anyone in the
> > market
> >> right
> >>> now who hasn't compromised, and really, isn't that what all the
> >> complaints
> >>> are about ? Ask for the best, but don't ask for it cheap, we've
already
> >> got to
> >>> many examples of that.
> >>> --
> >>> Don Scurlock
> >>> Vancouver,B.C.
> Okay herr(mr) Shumi,
> I am a guy who lives in the Netherlands. And if I lived in America I could
> possible order a TSW steering wheel. But with the tax & shipment costs
thats
> added. This is over my budget of buying such a steering wheel (I've got to
> eat to). So the best I could afford is the Logitech FF. And I'm curious
> what's your opinion on that wheel? And did You talk to those guys?
> Greetings
> Olaf
making it my job
I purchased a MSFF wheel when the 1st patch came out for gpl with FF. I
was simply amazed. I wasn't then,nor am I now convinced that the MSFF is the
perfect wheel. It wasn't even my 1st choice, but it was readily available
locally,so that if there were any problems I could return it without the
hassels of postage,shipping, and the long waiting times for my credit. As
it turned out, I did have to return one wheel, and got a replacement that
very day. My plan was simply expect the MSFF wheel to last me a year or two
until the next generation of FF wheels come out. And that's exactly what is
transpiring now. If you FF wheel is as you say, then rest assured you have a
ready customer here.
Joel Willstein
