rec.autos.simulators

by **ACers** » Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Extreme Competition Controls Inc. has just released new information on the
new top of the line driving controls system, the CDS 5000. New info and
many photos are available on our website at:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

This new system has many never-seen-before features such as fluid damped
steering, a genuine MOMO indycar-spec wheel, adjustable pressure
resistance braking, and a new standard of machining artistry... just take
a look! We are only a few weeks away from shipping the first units to
customers. The CDS5000 is limited in availability so seriously interested
parties should contact us soon.

Andy Cers
Extreme Competition Controls Inc.

by **Justin Rya** » Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Sounds great!!! now where did I place my Loan officer?

by **brand..** » Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>>Extreme Competition Controls Inc. has just released new information on the
>>new top of the line driving controls system, the CDS 5000. New info and
>>many photos are available on our website at:

>>HTTP://OURWORLD.COMPUSERVE.COM/HOMEPAGES/EXTREME

>>This new system has many never-seen-before features such as fluid damped
>>steering, a genuine MOMO indycar-spec wheel, adjustable pressure
>>resistance braking, and a new standard of machining artistry... just take
>>a look! We are only a few weeks away from shipping the first units to
>>customers. The CDS5000 is limited in availability so seriously interested
>>parties should contact us soon.

>$1395... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! I'm not saying it isn't worth it, but I'd
>rather spend the money on upgrades to my PC. Besides, 95% of the time I'm
>playing, I look at the screen, not the wheel. Otherwise, I'd crash. :-O

>Seriously, this company should look into making a line that gets rid of the
>flash and keeps most of the mechanics for a lower price.

>Alex
>ps. A happy TSW owner!

Well, they have the base model CDS2, which is $549, and for
performance per penny, way above the TSW. I guess you would like
Ferrari to start making a Geo?

by **Tom Pole** » Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:00:00

For $1,395, I could could a beat up used car (preferably an El Camino), get
drunk, and speed around a schoolyard yelling "Damn that Jeff Gordon," and
have alot more fun than I would with $1,395 sterring wheel. I'll stick to
my T2 - I don't see value in the additional $1,295.

Tom

by **John Wallac** » Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:00:00

"WAY" above the perfomance of a TSW?

I tested all of the wheels and found the ECCI to be "the equal" of the TSW
and at a much higher price. The TSW did some things better, the ECCI others
- overall they were pretty much the same.

by **Shawn Wi** » Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>Well, they have the base model CDS2, which is $549, and for
>performance per penny, way above the TSW. I guess you would like
>Ferrari to start making a Geo?

From what basis do you come to this conclusion? I have a TSW,
and have tried the ECCI. I'm glad that my money went to Thomas
Enterprises. I'm not knocking the ECCI, it's a nice piece of
equipment. But, after giving it a try, IMO the only difference in the
two is some flashyness and price. Personally, I didn't like having to
shift from the steering wheel. This forced me to drive with two hands
which I _really_ didn't like. Although, my sim of choice is Nascar.
If I really got into the other racing sims, I may have a different
opinion on the wheel shifter issue. But, even then if I had need for
wheel shifting, I'd buy the TSW with the paddle shifters.
There were several different things that I didn't like about the more
expensive wheel. It is one BULKY unit. For my particular desk setup,
it would be impossible to see my moniter. Anyway, I'd like to know
what your "price per penny" means. What great mechanical ability and
precision does your unit have that the TSW does not? The TSW has
a _lifetime_ warranty on it's equipment, does yours? IMO your
statement should've read "glamour per penny".
And for the record.....I'm not flaming the ECCI, or it's
owners, it is a nice wheel.

Shawn Wise

by **Mike Ostro** » Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> equipment. But, after giving it a try, IMO the only difference in the
> two is some flashyness and price.

Shawn,
My main reason for getting the ECCI was one thing Reliability. Of all
the spring pedals that have been broken on T2's, I knew I didn't want
that happening to me in the middle of a points hunt<G>

Ah comeon, you can learn to type on the keyboard when its on your far
right<G>

--
Mike Ostrow
Miral - #99 Spotted Owl/Three Wide Racing

by **brand..** » Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>Absolutely not! The point I was trying to make is that you can only go so far
>in making a computer racing simulation realistic to your senses. Thing doesn't
>even offer force feedback. For another $600, one could buy a used racing kart
>and get into real racing.

>The difference between a T2 and a TSW is quite noticable in feel and precision.
>I could care less about the looks of the thing. After reading the review, of
>the CDS at SIMRACING and comparing to others, I stand by my opinion that the
>TSW is better price/performance wise. If one is really a stickler for looks and
>has money to burn, then by all means buy a CDS5000 or CDS2, whatever. If you
>have an extra $1400 to burn, buy me one. :^) I wouldn't mind trying a CDS unit
>and compare it to my TSW to see if the difference in feel and performance
>actually warrants an extra $250-$1000, but I'm not about to pay $550-$1300 to
>do so.

>BTW, what wheel/pedal unit do you own?

>Alex

I have the wheel/pedal unit that came with the CDS2! I have compared,
and believe me, the CDS2 is better. The review at SIMRACING is out of
date, done on the original. It is not only pretty(which I don't care
about either), but it does make the sim even more realistic. Can you
change the amount of wheel resistance on your TSW? Can you change the
wheel lock with the turn of a knob? I drive all the sims, and
changing from a road course to an oval without changing these things
is pure torture now that I have the ability. I gave my T2 away to a
buddy, and when I go to his house to help him with a sim, I can't
drive near as well as I can on the CDS2. I can't believe I used that
thing for so long! I am not saying you don't have a fine wheel(10x
better than T2), but just because it is out of your price range, you
don't have to bash it.

by **Trevor C Thoma** » Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Prove what you say before you slam an excellent quality, hand built and
reasonably priced control set that ordinary people can afford. BTW where
is the 100% lifetime warranty?

Trevor

by **Alec A. Flor** » Sun, 20 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Warranty??? Why do you need a warranty if you build a perfect product<G>
Extremely<G> satisfied and proud owner of an ECCI<G>

> Prove what you say before you slam an excellent quality, hand built and
> reasonably priced control set that ordinary people can afford. BTW where
> is the 100% lifetime warranty?

> Trevor

by **Timothy H. Mora** » Sun, 20 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I agree, that would be fun. But that's not really the point is it? Sure,
I could buy a Mad Catz, but it's comforting to know that others are making
the "Ferrari" of driving wheels available. If it were not for Extreme
Competition and others pushing the envelope, what would Thrustmaster have
to compare themselves against?

by **brand..** » Sun, 20 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>Prove what you say before you slam an excellent quality, hand built and
>reasonably priced control set that ordinary people can afford. BTW where
>is the 100% lifetime warranty?

>Trevor

Slam? If you can find a sentence I wrote that slammed your product
then sue me. I quote myself " I am not saying you don't have a fine
wheel(10x better than T2)." And are you calling me out of the
ordinary? I am a single 26 year old hetero*** male who does NOT
live with his mommy, and I make less than 30k a year. I spend maybe
5-10 hours a week driving sims, and I don't appreciate the fact that
you sent me an e-mail apologizing for your reply, but do not post it
here for all to see. From now on, I will read the ng's before my
mail!

Brandon

by **ymenar** » Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:00:00

> > For $1,395, I could could a beat up used car (preferably an El Camino),
> get
> > drunk, and speed around a schoolyard yelling "Damn that Jeff Gordon," and
> > have alot more fun than I would with $1,395 sterring wheel. I'll stick to
> > my T2 - I don't see value in the additional $1,295.

> > Tom

> I agree, that would be fun. But that's not really the point is it? Sure,
> I could buy a Mad Catz, but it's comforting to know that others are making
> the "Ferrari" of driving wheels available. If it were not for Extreme
> Competition and others pushing the envelope, what would Thrustmaster have
> to compare themselves against?

Well for the price of a MadCatz (which I think is a great whell FOR it's
price) do you get a real difference in laps for all the money spent on
the ECC wheel? If I could run 10mph more than with a Madcatz, that
would be a good wheel. But for the confort and the 0.1 mph that you can
do faster, it's not worth 1200$ more. I'm not telling it's not a great
wheel (I think it's one of the best, with the HyperStimulator). It's
just that (and per exemple) if you take the Madcatz, for 1200$ less you
can have 75% of what the ECC does. And it's not 75% of the ECC price!!!

Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!!
SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed
[===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve,

| ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is
|!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le
|o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

[--I--]
v
Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand"
May the force be with you, always!!
Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people)
Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

by **brand..** » Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:00:00

>Well for the price of a MadCatz (which I think is a great whell FOR it's
>price) do you get a real difference in laps for all the money spent on
>the ECC wheel?

Yes, actually I do. I also have had a MadCatz, a T2, and the
opportunity to use a TSW. Comparing the TSW to the ECC is
understandable, but please, untill you have used one, do not compare
an ECC unit to a plastic, massed produced unit.

Like I said in the previous post, the CDS2 is more than half the price
of the CDS5000. And again, untill you try one, don't say it is not
worth it. It will last longer than 10 Madcatz's, and then how much
would you have spent?

by **Rich McCab** » Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Boy you guys are being pretty tough on the extreme wheel. Keep in mind this
is not the only wheel that Extreme sells. This is a "special order" only
wheel that is for teh guy that want to out do his neighbor.

His other wheels are half the cost, which is still expensive. I own an
extreme wheel that I bought about a year ago. And I guarantee it will
outlast me. There is NO wheel built with higher quality, fit and finish
than the extreme. Sure it is expensive, but so are Ferrari's. To much money
??? buy a T-1....

> > > For $1,395, I could could a beat up used car (preferably an El
Camino),
> > get
> > > drunk, and speed around a schoolyard yelling "Damn that Jeff Gordon,"
and
> > > have alot more fun than I would with $1,395 sterring wheel. I'll
stick to
> > > my T2 - I don't see value in the additional $1,295.

> > > Tom

> > I agree, that would be fun. But that's not really the point is it?
Sure,
> > I could buy a Mad Catz, but it's comforting to know that others are
making
> > the "Ferrari" of driving wheels available. If it were not for Extreme
> > Competition and others pushing the envelope, what would Thrustmaster
have
> > to compare themselves against?

> Well for the price of a MadCatz (which I think is a great whell FOR it's
> price) do you get a real difference in laps for all the money spent on
> the ECC wheel? If I could run 10mph more than with a Madcatz, that
> would be a good wheel. But for the confort and the 0.1 mph that you can
> do faster, it's not worth 1200$ more. I'm not telling it's not a great
> wheel (I think it's one of the best, with the HyperStimulator). It's
> just that (and per exemple) if you take the Madcatz, for 1200$ less you
> can have 75% of what the ECC does. And it's not 75% of the ECC price!!!

> Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!!
> SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed
> [===] Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve,

> | ! | And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is
> |!| from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le
> |o| Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

> [--I--]
> v
> Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand"
> May the force be with you, always!!
> Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people)
> Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

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