rec.autos.simulators

by **TDRacin** » Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:59:42

What rumors would they be? I'd be curious to hear about rumors that got
started, and have come up false.

So what you are saying is, instead of focusing their efforts on RL, they are
going to start up a makeshift storfront and sell stuff for vaporware? Well,
I'll give em credit on that, I don't think any company has sold merchandise
for something that isn't even close to being a reality. But onto my point,
they've spent years producing this thing, yet they have not one thing to
show for it (pictures do no count). Now they are going to start another
venture of operating a retail store selling knick-knacks, making pennies on
the dollars.

The reason they said what they said, is because the WB supporters are
getting worried, and need a little pasification from them to make em feel
better.

> > > > I initially read into the on-line shop incorrectly. My bad. Keep
on
> > keepin on
> > > > Westies. Bring on the demo - I'll buy in.

> > > > - Dave Cook

> > > Would you expect them to say any different? Come on, use your brain.
> > > They have gotten so desperate for cash they are selling friggin' teddy
> > > bears on their website.

> The onlineshop is there because ppl asked for it.

> > >Do you actually think that they would say "Well,
> > > we really don't think that RL is ever going to be completed either..."

> > > They have been issuing empty promises for 3 years. You are going to
> > > start believing them now?
> The wests never issued any promises about wsc or rl except they wanted
to
> finish the stated projects. The silly rumours and expextations have ALL
> come
> from idiots in the sim racing community. Many of the stupid ppl in here
and
> on rsc/highgear and in vroc created all the various rumours...not the
wests
> themselves
> dan

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by **TDRacin** » Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:59:46

LOL Yeah Doug, shame the CD they'd be waving wasn't even their's! Get a
grip dude.

by **jon** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:04:39

Absolute agreement here Jon T, you said it!

and friggin' TEDDY BEARS ??!! For the love of sweet Jesus in heaven, what
the HELL possessed those two to put up TEDDY BEARS ??!! Caps, tee-shirts,
that wouldn't have been such a big deal. But TEDDY BEARS ??!! I mean c'mon,
what the ***?

Didn't even have time to get my jaw off the floor before I started reading
posts here and at the RL forums saying "Oh, sure, I'll buy one... anything
to help usher Racing Legends along....".

I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market. I
haven't owned or wanted a ***ing TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed
years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I may have
made an occasional wisecrack about the *** Westie's every now and then,
but I'll admit I hoped something would come of it the sim. Now I am not sure
I would want something from minds as depraved as this to ever be released
upon the public. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR.
PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM.

Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a
little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of
*** teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I
ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ?

I would say "Boycott Racing Legends!!", but it appears that would be a moot
point. I would say "Boycott Racing Legends Teddy Bears!!", but only the most
idiotic of fools would buy one in the first place, and besides, they never
listen.

by **Mats Lofkvis** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:08:08

[snip]

You need to get way above 3 developers for the administrative overhead
to be an unavoidable problem, so I wouldn't agree this is an advantage
for a 3 developer company compared to a properly managed company with
dozens of developers.

Waiting weeks to get approvals sounds more like a company with hundreds
of developers doing probjects with strict requirements on release
schedules, testing, documentation etc.

_
Mats Lofkvist

by **TDRacin** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:27:22

ROFL

> Absolute agreement here Jon T, you said it!

> and friggin' TEDDY BEARS ??!! For the love of sweet Jesus in heaven, what
> the HELL possessed those two to put up TEDDY BEARS ??!! Caps, tee-shirts,
> that wouldn't have been such a big deal. But TEDDY BEARS ??!! I mean
c'mon,
> what the ***?

> Didn't even have time to get my jaw off the floor before I started reading
> posts here and at the RL forums saying "Oh, sure, I'll buy one... anything
> to help usher Racing Legends along....".

> I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market.
I
> haven't owned or wanted a ***ing TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed
> years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I may
have
> made an occasional wisecrack about the *** Westie's every now and
then,
> but I'll admit I hoped something would come of it the sim. Now I am not
sure
> I would want something from minds as depraved as this to ever be released
> upon the public. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A GROWN MAN TO OWN A TEDDY BEAR.
> PERIOD. YOU SHOULD NOT MARKET TEDDY BEARS TO THEM.

> Will this teddy bear come complete with his own little personal ID in a
> little leather case ? Or will that cost extra ? How bout a little set of
> *** teddy lips so teddy can blow me ? Can I ask that here, or should I
> ask in rec.collecting.teddy-bears ?

> I would say "Boycott Racing Legends!!", but it appears that would be a
moot
> point. I would say "Boycott Racing Legends Teddy Bears!!", but only the
most
> idiotic of fools would buy one in the first place, and besides, they never
> listen.

> > Some people are realists, after all these years we have not seen a thing
> and
> > we won't . I hope
> > I'm wrong I would love to see this project materailize, but we have been
> > down this road before
> > and it feels to familar. The Wests are putting the cart before the
horse,
> > with pricing and promotion
> > stuff and not even having produced a sim yet. Its just plain BS pure and
> > simple. Lets see a Demo!
> > Surly they have had enough time (years) to have some basic gound work
> > completed on somthing real.
> > Now go buy a teddy bear. :)

by **Darf** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:33:39

Can I interest you in a nice hat or a T shirt then?
:-)

Darf

by **Darf** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:41:45

All I am saying is that the LFS guys have done a pretty good job of the Beta
that they have released, and they only have 3 guys. Some guys posts that it
doesn't work on his wheel, or that it would be good to be able to kick
wreckers from the server, and a few days later.....BANG....fixed with a
patch.
So why would it be so unlikely that the Wests will ever get at least to Beta
stage using only 2 guys?

Darf

by **jon** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:44:13

Well, I *could* use a new smoking jacket....

by **redTe** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:08:07

LOL.. Top marks for that post.

by **Todd Walke** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:38:54

So the Wests never promised a release date for WSC? Or a demo? Why are
you defending these guys who have been "working" on something for 3
years and haven't got ANYTHING to show for it?

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by **Uwe Schuerkam** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:32:51

> I absolutely cannot believe they are that out of touch with their market. I
> haven't owned or wanted a ***ing TEDDY BEAR since I was five goddammed
> years old, and I am not about to get conned into buying one now. I may have

Aah, you haven't met sweet Tux yet in his plush incarnation. I
have one and stroke it daily... Well, almost daily, and he's
looking out of my window at passers-by right now.

It's good to preserve a bit of the child in oneself, you know.
I like the teddy, but I think I'll jump for a cap and buy the
teddy later ;-)

uwe

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by **SimRace** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:20:30

> Racing Legends will be completed no matter what, we have come this far and
we
> are certainly not about to give up now.

www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1160&s=5d8dd7237e1f...
88b9

It may get finished, but I have to say that the
Microsoft-licensing-per-piece-upgrade scheme they have will bankrupt them if
they open for business. People *** about $50 a year for the current stream
of sims, and I don't see a sim being priced more, costing for addons is
going to make it any easier on them. The masses complain that the current
sims aren't open source and can't be added to by the public. Trying to
actually sell add-ons will not work for racing sims (track convertors aside,
although it is much cheaper than the things slated for RL IIRC).

They are pricing this like it is a global corporate must-have software
package (Cytrix & SQLServer come to mind) and in reality, they'll be lucky
to sell 500 copies. If it materializes, they'll never generate enough
revenue to support it *properly*.

Foveon had an idea like this a few years ago with some imaging hardware
(Silicon Film) and it has seen as much of light of day as RL will I'm
afraid.

by **Jeffrey Haa** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:24:17

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:30:43 -0400, "Mike Beauchamp"

>Agreed.. I know I've only been here for about a year now and I don't know
>the history RAS seems to have with these West guys.

>But I gotta say, all the negativity on this board towards RL would really
>suck if I was in their position. I mean, they are trying to make a game for
>us, it'd just be really discouraging reading on RAS people telling newbies
>how the game is "never going to come out" and all that.

Mike,

The problem is that the West's have been yapping for years now and
haven't shown one piece of working code. All talk about revised
physics, etc, etc. They have shown some beautiful renderings of cars
and some on track screen shots but that's it. I find the whole thing
laughable now. Teddy bears for sale??? Jesus. They are approaching
Duke Nukem Forever status. I will buy the sim if it ever sees the
light of day but I won't fund something that hasn't even shown an
alpha code base to exist.

The Live for Speed folks have done the right thing IMHO. Low profile,
no BS and then produce an alpha test product for the WORLD to see. Now
those guys are doing something.

Until then, GPL.

by **Jon** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:48:20

Amen to that ! They are showing the West Bros how it should be done.
Live for Speed, great job, great potential and an excellent demo show casing
things to come.

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:55:31

Mike Beauchamp schrieb:

You overestimate the importance of this ng. First, there is never a
general consensus about anything (GP4 sales vs. ng verdict). Second, if
they only sell to the guys from ras, they'd need a lot of teddy bear
sales to make a buck...

l8er
ronny

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