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OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 21:34:49

well, you will have Dave StOnge explaining why it doesn't work because it
will SUCK the car AND the driver and turn their spine into slime or
something like that (it is a joke, Dave, it is a joke)

It is sad to realize here but SOME (I didn't say ALL) of our American
friends here are just going nuts everytime someone (anyone, they are not
choosy) suggest ANY change in nascar security/organisation.

F1 is changing every year and we consider it a normal process, it is called
evolution and even if it makes for races which are not as thrilling as a
nascar race where 4 guys come side by side of the last corner and try to
puch each other into the wall to win the race, it is still VERY interesting.

For the record did anybody see the aerial shots of the Ferrari in time
practice yesterday while taking the double 90 corner ? how the hell does he
get THAT grip ?

Anyway it seems that suggesting a change in nascar would be like ripping the
heart of an american tradition; this country is so full of contradictions
taht it is very hard for us outsiders to understand it, someday I would like
to have a COLD deate about it but of course here is not the place...not with
the HOT guys roaming around.

I feel that "tradition" whatever it is doesn't stand a chance when the life
of people are at stake, the FIRST thing someone should think, when they are
organizing a race/series is "have I done everything to protect the drivers,
marshalls, spectators, mechanics....", it is particularily alien to me
because as many europeans I come from "old" places, my home city is just
2002 years old (yes 2002) so when I see/read about "American tradition" I
have trouble figuring out, maybe that is also part of the american
"strangeness" in some aspects, they have this feeling of youth in their
country and thus they want to have "traditional" things to get a collective
identity, I respect that, but when it comes to motor racing, and peoples
live I think that change is not a bad thing.

Okay that was my serious post of the week, now back to the usual level

WAAAAZZZZZUP ?



> I posted this about a week ago..........Here it is again.

> I saw on one of the many shows this week (think it was on RPM2NITE)
> that a place in Indiana makes these "soft walls". I guess a few F1
> tracks have already ordered and installed them for the upcoming
> season. These walls, when seen from a cross-sectional view, look like
> big, thick radiators. they have 2 layers, one (inside) being ***
> and the other some other material. On the inside they are shaped like
> radiator fins, and the walls come in sections which can be easily
> replaced after 3 major impacts take place. They are hard enough that
> there would not be the need for any clean up after a wreck, like with
> traditional foam soft walls. However, and this is exactly what they
> said on TV.........Traditional concrete walls only absorbs 5% of the
> energy before it reaches the drivers body. These new walls absorb 95%
> of the energy before it reaches the driver. 95%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> According to RPM2NITE, it would cost $1.2 Mil. to fit a 1 1/2 mile
> track with these walls. They sound like something NASCAR needs to
> SERIOUSLY look into.

> Todd



> >>  My only concern with a soft wall would be the driver
> >>who doesn't completely loose control but drifts just high enough to
'tag'
> >>the wall.  Would the soft properties of a soft wall act like a vacum and
> >>suck the car into wall rather than just letting it skid along the
concrete
> >>wall for a few yards?

> >Yes it would.  Not only that, it would probably stop a car travelling
150+ mph
> >in just a few feet and might possibly even sling the car, spinning, back
out
> >into traffic.  I can't imagine the idiocy of this idea not gelling in the
> >minds of the people proposing this suggestion.  How stupid would it be to
put
> >soft walls around the turns at Darlington?

> >I'm all for soft walls at the road courses and I'm sure Jimmy Johnson is
too.
> >Let's do it.  One thing that hasn't been advertised about his crash
though,
> >mostly because it would hinder the cause of soft wall lunatics, is that,
not
> >only did Jimmy punch through about 10 feet of styro but, he also punched
right
> >through the guardrail.  How many people know that?  He didn't hit a
concrete
> >wall, he knocked a hole in a steel guardrail, thereby transferring some
of the
> >energy of the crash to the guardrail.

> >Dave Casey
> >Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
> >www.teamcasey.net
> >www.lvkc.com
> >www.buycoolcrap.com

Dave Cas

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave Cas » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 23:45:57

It has nothing to do with being an American or British or Martian or any other
kind of person.  It has to do with using my brain and realizing that putting
current soft wall technology along the walls at an oval travel is complete
stupidity.  You keep going on and on about how F1 does this and F1 does that.  
Big Freaking Deal!  How many ovals does F1 race on?  Zero, if my somewhat
feeble American mind remembers properly.  NASCAR races on two, let me say that
again, TWO road courses.  And BOTH of them have soft walls at critical areas
on the track.  As soon as you or anyone else comes up with a suggestion for
change that  isn't completely idiotic, all of us moronic NASCAR folks will be
ready to listen.

Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
www.teamcasey.net
www.lvkc.com
www.buycoolcrap.com

Eric Franze

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Eric Franze » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 00:24:19

Michael had said earlier in the day before his wreck that he wasn't happy
about that corner.  It wasn't a curb he hit.  There is about a half inch
drop where the pavement ends and the gravel starts.  It was that drop that
caused him to barrel roll.


>he was too late on the brakes, slid and hit the curb



>> Ummm....nope. Asphalt is easier and prevents any problems with the car
>> flipping....speaking of flipping, what caused Schumacher's car to get
>> airborne in the first place???

>> Dave



>> > at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the gravel
>> like
>> > they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel



>> > > gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!



>> > > > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free
practice
>> > > session
>> > > > ?

>> > > > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch
>the
>> > > wall,
>> > > > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
>> > brake
>> > > > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I
didn't
>> see
>> > > > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
>> > slowing
>> > > > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is
protected
>> by
>> > > air
>> > > > fences and tires anyway.

>> > > > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never
>> too
>> > > old
>> > > > to learn and improve things around you.

>> > > > --
>> > > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

Dave St.Ong

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 00:32:51


In a previous post you mention that I can't read....you can't either
obviously.  It wasn't me talking about the soft walls...it was another
Dave....

Dave

Dave Henri

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave Henri » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:25:58


  Friends..???  We Americans don't have friends....we have Customers...
:)
dave henrie
btw  in order of preference if all races were shown at the same time, this
is what I would watch.:
CART
F1
BTCC/ATCC
Nascar
FIA/ALMS
Trans Am
World Superbike/Ama Superbike/FIA 500 Grand Prix bikes
Speedvision World Challenge
(can't include such series as DTM cuz the dang thing doesn't get much air
here)
Unlimited Hydroplanes
Grand American Series
Reno Air RAces
Go Karts
Pinewood Derby
Nascar Trucks/Busch Series
Motorola Cup
Local R/C races
Slot Car races
Hot Wheel Loopdeloops...

  :)  My preference is any racing with Wings and slicks...just imagine when
the vintage
F15 and F16 fighters are de-commissioned and we can slap some big tires on
and go round a superspeedway...:) :> :o
dave henrie

Dave Henri

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave Henri » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:28:53

"Dave St.Onge" > In a previous post you mention that I can't read....you
can't either
  There you have it...we'll have Dave and I'll be the 'other' Dave...:)
(and yes, I am concerned about incidental contact that GRABS the car
 and produces an immeadiate cessation of forward motion)
- the other dave

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 01:35:29

ok, so what do you suggest to improve security on the ovals on the outside ?

same question goes to dave.



Dave St.Ong

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 02:15:42

Actually, you're number three....yeah, I'm concerned about these soft walls
when cars slightly touch the wall....if these walls stop the car
instantaneously at the wrong angle (and I'm not talking head on), causing
the car to bounce back on the track, the damage to the driver could be worse
than if he hit a concrete wall head on.....in addition, the car coming back
on to the track can cause more accidents...

Dave


rtic

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by rtic » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 02:17:26

Agree, except I would switch BTCC and TransAm.
Maybe FIA/ALMS and Na$car too (because of Fox).

WRT





>> well, you will have Dave StOnge explaining why it doesn't work because it
>> will SUCK the car AND the driver and turn their spine into slime or
>> something like that (it is a joke, Dave, it is a joke)

>> It is sad to realize here but SOME (I didn't say ALL) of our American
>> friends
>  Friends..???  We Americans don't have friends....we have Customers...
>:)
>dave henrie
>btw  in order of preference if all races were shown at the same time, this
>is what I would watch.:
>CART
>F1
>BTCC/ATCC
>Nascar
>FIA/ALMS
>Trans Am
>World Superbike/Ama Superbike/FIA 500 Grand Prix bikes
>Speedvision World Challenge
>(can't include such series as DTM cuz the dang thing doesn't get much air
>here)
>Unlimited Hydroplanes
>Grand American Series
>Reno Air RAces
>Go Karts
>Pinewood Derby
>Nascar Trucks/Busch Series
>Motorola Cup
>Local R/C races
>Slot Car races
>Hot Wheel Loopdeloops...

>  :)  My preference is any racing with Wings and slicks...just imagine when
>the vintage
>F15 and F16 fighters are de-commissioned and we can slap some big tires on
>and go round a superspeedway...:) :> :o
>dave henrie

Thom j

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Thom j » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 03:50:03

Yes didnt Michael Andretti flip about 2000 times in this wreck? hmmm?


| And the gravel helped it out...please take the time to refer to incidents
| involving Michael Andretti from approx 2 years ago, and Patrick Carpentier
| (twice I believe) last season.  Your beloved gravel caused Andretti to
flip
| numerous times when he hit it sideways.  Carpentier also had a wreck like
| that, doing the sideways roll.  Lastly, Carpentier could have seriously
| injured himself when the gravel trap *launched* him into a tire wall,
| flipping him completely over a 10' high fence....
|
| Gravel traps ARE NOT safe.....
|
| Dave
<snipped>

Thom j

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Thom j » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 04:08:15

Hello? Hello? Calling Dr Di'mento' Or Dr Irwin Corey!! Hello? Hello?
We have a 911 in RAS!! Please come A.S.A.P. as D God Fisher has
finally lost it!! Hello? Hello?... Hello? Hello?... Hello? Hello?
Phew what a "Cracked Nutt!!" Sorry I couldn't stay quiet anymore!!



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Thom j

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Thom j » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 04:53:26

Dave?? You never saw the "Strapped Down Turbo V12 BullFrog Races"
in Swaghollar` NC..? Wow ur missing something.. <g>


|

| > well, you will have Dave StOnge explaining why it doesn't work because
it
| > will SUCK the car AND the driver and turn their spine into slime or
| > something like that (it is a joke, Dave, it is a joke)
| >
| > It is sad to realize here but SOME (I didn't say ALL) of our American
| > friends
|   Friends..???  We Americans don't have friends....we have Customers...
| :)
| dave henrie
| btw  in order of preference if all races were shown at the same time, this
| is what I would watch.:
| CART
| F1
| BTCC/ATCC
| Nascar
| FIA/ALMS
| Trans Am
| World Superbike/Ama Superbike/FIA 500 Grand Prix bikes
| Speedvision World Challenge
| (can't include such series as DTM cuz the dang thing doesn't get much air
| here)
| Unlimited Hydroplanes
| Grand American Series
| Reno Air RAces
| Go Karts
| Pinewood Derby
| Nascar Trucks/Busch Series
| Motorola Cup
| Local R/C races
| Slot Car races
| Hot Wheel Loopdeloops...
|
|   :)  My preference is any racing with Wings and slicks...just imagine
when
| the vintage
| F15 and F16 fighters are de-commissioned and we can slap some big tires on
| and go round a superspeedway...:) :> :o
| dave henrie
|
|
|
|

Dave Henri

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave Henri » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:32:18


   No but I DID see LAWNMOWER RACES the tube.  I sweartoGawd they
actually had LAWNMOWER RACES on the telebishion.  And not only that,
they had Mower-Deck cams and nose cams.....And I should have mentioned
the Snowmobile Sno-cross races....yes, I'm hooked...
dave henrie

Dave St.Ong

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 07:21:40

Don't laugh...sometimes they DO show snowmobile races on tv here in
Canada...lol

Dave




> > Dave?? You never saw the "Strapped Down Turbo V12 BullFrog Races"
> > in Swaghollar` NC..? Wow ur missing something.. <g>

>    No but I DID see LAWNMOWER RACES the tube.  I sweartoGawd they
> actually had LAWNMOWER RACES on the telebishion.  And not only that,
> they had Mower-Deck cams and nose cams.....And I should have mentioned
> the Snowmobile Sno-cross races....yes, I'm hooked...
> dave henrie

Thom j

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Thom j » Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:01:14

OMG.. I have been seeing these things weekly on SpeedVision! Now
folks laugh at us racing on a puter!! Damn they should see those guyz
and yes galz too!! Did you see the drags yet?? Wow.. hahahaha
$00.02 from me.. <g> Cheers Thom_j.


|


| >
| > Dave?? You never saw the "Strapped Down Turbo V12 BullFrog Races"
| > in Swaghollar` NC..? Wow ur missing something.. <g>
| >
|    No but I DID see LAWNMOWER RACES the tube.  I sweartoGawd they
| actually had LAWNMOWER RACES on the telebishion.  And not only that,
| they had Mower-Deck cams and nose cams.....And I should have mentioned
| the Snowmobile Sno-cross races....yes, I'm hooked...
| dave henrie
|
|


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