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OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:04:40

Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice session
?

1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the wall,
that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you brake
too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is slowing
it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by air
fences and tires anyway.

I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too old
to learn and improve things around you.

--
PGP : 0xAFFA916C

Jon Wille

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Jon Wille » Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:38:17

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't NASCAR's last road course fatality
at Riverside over twenty years ago?  Rusty Wallace hit the wall head
on at Watkins Glen last year--he's a big fan of soft walls.

Gravel traps and runoffs are a little harder to implement at oval
tracks.  I suppose you could build the track like a colliseum, with
the fans looking down into an arena.  If a driver blows his right
front tire, he keeps going through turn one into the parking lot.

The first things to look at, I think, are crumple zones and soft
walls.


>Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice session
>?

>1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the wall,
>that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you brake
>too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
>well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is slowing
>it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by air
>fences and tires anyway.

>I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too old
>to learn and improve things around you.

--

rik anthra

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by rik anthra » Sat, 03 Mar 2001 22:53:28

gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!


double

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by double » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:23:07

yes, Busch Series driver Jimmy Johnson would probably not be with us right
now if it weren't for those styrofoam walls at Watkins Glen last year.  The
gravel trap did absolutely nothing to slow him down cause he basically
"jumped" the gravel and went full speed (more or less) head-on into the
styrofoam.  That was one of the most incredible sights I've ever seen, to
see that crash, then to see him get out and jump up and down on the roof
pumping his arms in the air.


> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't NASCAR's last road course fatality
> at Riverside over twenty years ago?  Rusty Wallace hit the wall head
> on at Watkins Glen last year--he's a big fan of soft walls.

> Gravel traps and runoffs are a little harder to implement at oval
> tracks.  I suppose you could build the track like a colliseum, with
> the fans looking down into an arena.  If a driver blows his right
> front tire, he keeps going through turn one into the parking lot.

> The first things to look at, I think, are crumple zones and soft
> walls.


> >Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
session
> >?

> >1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
wall,
> >that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you brake
> >too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
> >well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
slowing
> >it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
air
> >fences and tires anyway.

> >I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
old
> >to learn and improve things around you.
> --


D

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by D » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:35:39

A driver died in the Nascar race at the Glen in the early-mid 90's. Went off
at the end of the back straight. The next year they put that chicane in.

d


> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't NASCAR's last road course fatality
> at Riverside over twenty years ago?  Rusty Wallace hit the wall head
> on at Watkins Glen last year--he's a big fan of soft walls.

> Gravel traps and runoffs are a little harder to implement at oval
> tracks.  I suppose you could build the track like a colliseum, with
> the fans looking down into an arena.  If a driver blows his right
> front tire, he keeps going through turn one into the parking lot.

> The first things to look at, I think, are crumple zones and soft
> walls.


> >Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
session
> >?

> >1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
wall,
> >that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you brake
> >too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
> >well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
slowing
> >it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
air
> >fences and tires anyway.

> >I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
old
> >to learn and improve things around you.
> --


Dave Henri

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave Henri » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:48:24

  comparing accidents is a pointless endeavor.  We could drum up any #
wrecks in any series that would 'justify' our
beliefs.  I notice the walls that nearly crippled Olivier Panis for life in
Montreal are still there with no extra runoff.  Similarly, we can't use the
HORRIFIC Geoff Bodine truck crash at Daytona as proof of the strength of
rolling tank construction.
  My only concern with a soft wall would be the driver
who doesn't completely loose control but drifts just high enough to 'tag'
the wall.  Would the soft properties of a soft wall act like a vacum and
suck the car into wall rather than just letting it skid along the concrete
wall for a few yards?


Andrew

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Andrew » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 03:02:52


Gravel is not the best way to slow down a car.  It has been shown that
pavement is a better choice.

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 03:58:13

at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the gravel like
they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel



> gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!



> > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
> session
> > ?

> > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
> wall,
> > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
brake
> > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
> > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
slowing
> > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
> air
> > fences and tires anyway.

> > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
> old
> > to learn and improve things around you.

> > --
> > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:00:40

the "panis" wall is shielded with tires now, and has been so since the
crash.

With regards to the "soft" wall you can easily make a wall which will
sustain the enrgy of car coming at 300 kph with a 2 angle but which will
give way to the same car coming at 300 kph with a 50 angle.



>   comparing accidents is a pointless endeavor.  We could drum up any #
> wrecks in any series that would 'justify' our
> beliefs.  I notice the walls that nearly crippled Olivier Panis for life
in
> Montreal are still there with no extra runoff.  Similarly, we can't use
the
> HORRIFIC Geoff Bodine truck crash at Daytona as proof of the strength of
> rolling tank construction.
>   My only concern with a soft wall would be the driver
> who doesn't completely loose control but drifts just high enough to 'tag'
> the wall.  Would the soft properties of a soft wall act like a vacum and
> suck the car into wall rather than just letting it skid along the concrete
> wall for a few yards?



> > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
> session
> > ?

> > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
> wall,
> > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
brake
> > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
> > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
slowing
> > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
> air
> > fences and tires anyway.

> > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
> old
> > to learn and improve things around you.

> > --
> > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:03:56

I have trouble seeing if you are trying to make a joke or not...

since there was no :-) or something similar I will assume that no you are
not making a joke.

So, if your car is going straight, under control, OF COURSE pavement,
tarmac, asphalt, call it whatever you want is best.

If your car is sideways, slipping, spinning, rolling, gravel STOPS the car
as pavement just makes the car slide or rebound on it.

Look at schumi's crash this morning and you'll see exactly what I mean.





> > and when the car comes down, the gravel is slowing
> > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
> air
> > fences and tires anyway.

> Gravel is not the best way to slow down a car.  It has been shown that
> pavement is a better choice.

Dave St.Ong

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Dave St.Ong » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:07:33

Ummm....nope. Asphalt is easier and prevents any problems with the car
flipping....speaking of flipping, what caused Schumacher's car to get
airborne in the first place???

Dave


> at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the gravel
like
> they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel



> > gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!



> > > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
> > session
> > > ?

> > > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
> > wall,
> > > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
> brake
> > > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't
see
> > > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
> slowing
> > > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected
by
> > air
> > > fences and tires anyway.

> > > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never
too
> > old
> > > to learn and improve things around you.

> > > --
> > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

ymenar

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by ymenar » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:11:26


> I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
old
> to learn and improve things around you.

Yeah... let's just put GRAVEL TRAPS on the high sides of oval tracks <VBG>

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:15:48

he was too late on the brakes, slid and hit the curb



> Ummm....nope. Asphalt is easier and prevents any problems with the car
> flipping....speaking of flipping, what caused Schumacher's car to get
> airborne in the first place???

> Dave



> > at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the gravel
> like
> > they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel



> > > gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!



> > > > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
> > > session
> > > > ?

> > > > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch
the
> > > wall,
> > > > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
> > brake
> > > > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't
> see
> > > > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
> > slowing
> > > > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected
> by
> > > air
> > > > fences and tires anyway.

> > > > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never
> too
> > > old
> > > > to learn and improve things around you.

> > > > --
> > > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

Txl

OT : Little "tickle" to our nascar friends, F1 crash in Australia

by Txl » Sun, 04 Mar 2001 04:17:58



Start by putting them on the low sides instead of this so nice looking grass
which has a tremendous braking potential as evrybody knows...


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