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> ...
> >So, if your car is going straight, under control, OF COURSE pavement,
> >tarmac, asphalt, call it whatever you want is best.

> >If your car is sideways, slipping, spinning, rolling, gravel STOPS the
car
> >as pavement just makes the car slide or rebound on it.

> >Look at schumi's crash this morning and you'll see exactly what I mean.

> Would he have flipped when there was no gravel?

> Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
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> >Gravel traps and runoffs are a little harder to implement at oval
> >tracks....

>    Nah, it'd be great.  The gravel traps and air bags and tire walls
> would take up about 80% of the available track surface, so you'd have
> a single lane of traffic and no passing.  Just like F1.

>    How's that tickle ya?  :)

> he was too late on the brakes, slid and hit the curb

> > Ummm....nope. Asphalt is easier and prevents any problems with the car
> > flipping....speaking of flipping, what caused Schumacher's car to get
> > airborne in the first place???

> > Dave

> > > at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the
gravel
> > like
> > > they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel

> > > > gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!

> > > > > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free
practice
> > > > session
> > > > > ?

> > > > > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch
> the
> > > > wall,
> > > > > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because
you
> > > brake
> > > > > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I
didn't
> > see
> > > > > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
> > > slowing
> > > > > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is
protected
> > by
> > > > air
> > > > > fences and tires anyway.

> > > > > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are
never
> > too
> > > > old
> > > > > to learn and improve things around you.

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> yes because he flipped on the curb

> > ...
> > >So, if your car is going straight, under control, OF COURSE pavement,
> > >tarmac, asphalt, call it whatever you want is best.

> > >If your car is sideways, slipping, spinning, rolling, gravel STOPS the
> car
> > >as pavement just makes the car slide or rebound on it.

> > >Look at schumi's crash this morning and you'll see exactly what I mean.

> > Would he have flipped when there was no gravel?

> > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> > Pencil art    : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
> > Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

> It might be worse than that!

> First car into the gravel stops.  Second car into the gravel hits first
> car.  Continue up to 10 cars or as high as needed.  :-(

> Jason.

> > "Okay guys, we're replacing all the grass in the front tri-oval and
quad-oval
> > areas around the country for safety reasons.  So, instead of just
sliding
> > through the grass and probably being able to drive on, you'll sink up to
your
> > axles
> --
> Jason Monds
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> (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

> And the gravel helped it out...please take the time to refer to incidents
> involving Michael Andretti from approx 2 years ago, and Patrick Carpentier
> (twice I believe) last season.  Your beloved gravel caused Andretti to
flip
> numerous times when he hit it sideways.  Carpentier also had a wreck like
> that, doing the sideways roll.  Lastly, Carpentier could have seriously
> injured himself when the gravel trap *launched* him into a tire wall,
> flipping him completely over a 10' high fence....

> Gravel traps ARE NOT safe.....

> Dave

> > yes because he flipped on the curb

> > > ...
> > > >So, if your car is going straight, under control, OF COURSE pavement,
> > > >tarmac, asphalt, call it whatever you want is best.

> > > >If your car is sideways, slipping, spinning, rolling, gravel STOPS
the
> > car
> > > >as pavement just makes the car slide or rebound on it.

> > > >Look at schumi's crash this morning and you'll see exactly what I
mean.

> > > Would he have flipped when there was no gravel?

> > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> > > Pencil art    : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
> > > Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

> You saw Schumacher's crash and think he would of been better off bouncing
> off of asphalt?

> Ok.

> Somehow though, I don't expect him to be suggesting that to the FIA as
part
> of his duties with the Gradn Prix Drivers' Association.

> David G Fisher

> > And the gravel helped it out...please take the time to refer to
incidents
> > involving Michael Andretti from approx 2 years ago, and Patrick
Carpentier
> > (twice I believe) last season.  Your beloved gravel caused Andretti to
> flip
> > numerous times when he hit it sideways.  Carpentier also had a wreck
like
> > that, doing the sideways roll.  Lastly, Carpentier could have seriously
> > injured himself when the gravel trap *launched* him into a tire wall,
> > flipping him completely over a 10' high fence....

> > Gravel traps ARE NOT safe.....

> > Dave

> > > yes because he flipped on the curb

> > > > ...
> > > > >So, if your car is going straight, under control, OF COURSE
pavement,
> > > > >tarmac, asphalt, call it whatever you want is best.

> > > > >If your car is sideways, slipping, spinning, rolling, gravel STOPS
> the
> > > car
> > > > >as pavement just makes the car slide or rebound on it.

> > > > >Look at schumi's crash this morning and you'll see exactly what I
> mean.

> > > > Would he have flipped when there was no gravel?

> > > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.25
> > > > Pencil art    : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
> > > > Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/

> They want the fans up close to the entire track so they can smell the
***.

> David G Fisher

> > did it NEVER happen in nascar history someone gets pushed, goes on the
> grass
> > on the inside and sameshe the INSIDE all or even more "funny" comes back
> on
> > the track while spinning ang gets hits by another guy coming ?

> > NEVER EVER ?

> > of course you can't put gravel on the OUTSIDE of your circus (in terms
of
> > roman circus, like the circus maximus in Rome where they also had "car"
> > races") but at least on the inside, even if it avoids ONE big dangerous
> > crash, isn't it enough ?

> n_review_text_id=312612

> Be sure to pay attention to the last four paragraphs.

> David G Fisher

> > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free practice
> session
> > ?

> > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even touch the
> wall,
> > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because you
brake
> > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I didn't see
> > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel is
slowing
> > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is protected by
> air
> > fences and tires anyway.

> > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are never too
> old
> > to learn and improve things around you.

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> > PGP : 0xAFFA916C

> They want the fans up close to the entire track so they can smell the

>>  My only concern with a soft wall would be the driver
>>who doesn't completely loose control but drifts just high enough to 'tag'
>>the wall.  Would the soft properties of a soft wall act like a vacum and
>>suck the car into wall rather than just letting it skid along the concrete
>>wall for a few yards?

>Yes it would.  Not only that, it would probably stop a car travelling 150+ mph
>in just a few feet and might possibly even sling the car, spinning, back out
>into traffic.  I can't imagine the idiocy of this idea not gelling in the
>minds of the people proposing this suggestion.  How stupid would it be to put
>soft walls around the turns at Darlington?

>I'm all for soft walls at the road courses and I'm sure Jimmy Johnson is too.  
>Let's do it.  One thing that hasn't been advertised about his crash though,
>mostly because it would hinder the cause of soft wall lunatics, is that, not
>only did Jimmy punch through about 10 feet of styro but, he also punched right
>through the guardrail.  How many people know that?  He didn't hit a concrete
>wall, he knocked a hole in a steel guardrail, thereby transferring some of the
>energy of the crash to the guardrail.

>Dave Casey
>Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
>www.teamcasey.net
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> So a combination of the curb, and then the gravel, caused his car to flip
> twice....yup, I can see how that's safer....lol

> dave

> > he was too late on the brakes, slid and hit the curb

> > > Ummm....nope. Asphalt is easier and prevents any problems with the car
> > > flipping....speaking of flipping, what caused Schumacher's car to get
> > > airborne in the first place???

> > > Dave

> > > > at least on the inside instead of grass...you can even paint the
> gravel
> > > like
> > > > they did in australia so it doesn't look like gravel

> > > > > gravel traps on an oval? now that would be funny!

> > > > > > Did anybody see the images of Scumi's crash in the 1st free
> practice
> > > > > session
> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > 1 or 2 barrel rolls in the gravel trap, the car didn't even
touch
> > the
> > > > > wall,
> > > > > > that's what I call great passive safety, you can go off because
> you
> > > > brake
> > > > > > too late and lose the car, flip over the curb, make 1 or 2 (I
> didn't
> > > see
> > > > > > well) rolls in the air, and when the car comes down, the gravel
is
> > > > slowing
> > > > > > it, and preventing the painful crash in the wall, which is
> protected
> > > by
> > > > > air
> > > > > > fences and tires anyway.

> > > > > > I hope the nascar official have been looking at this, you are
> never
> > > too
> > > > > old
> > > > > > to learn and improve things around you.

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