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by **BriGu** » Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:00:00

'e looks like one!

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by **Don Burnett** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I'm running 6 cars visible.

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Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends

> >Hmm, I'm running the same setup except at 464 mhz, I get high ***s at
the
> >start from the back of a full field.
> >I set most of my details to medium with mirrors on and run at 1024x768.
> >Smooths out to mid 20's after first turn at Monza, with high in the upper
> >30's as the field spreads out.

> How many cars visible? I've tried a few levels. Here's the skinny on
what
> happens as I changed options. All the above from watching replays of a
Brazil
> race starting from grid position 6 using FRAPS...

snip

by **Eldre** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>--"A . . . witch?"
>--"A witch! BURN HIM! BURRRNNNN HIM!!"

>;)

>--DK

>> Having MGPRS2 and GPL rated the same is pure heresy.

A witch? How do you *know* he's a witch...? :-)

Eldred
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by **Joe6** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>The Voodoo owners (2 and 3) seem to be very happy. I am

>Athlon 750.

It's not the graphics card, it's the frame rate. 25 fps is BAREKY
acceptable to me, though still slow enough to be annoying. I remember
how I striggled with GPL on my old P200 because I couldn't get the
frame-rate above 25. Then when I upgraded my CPU and got up to 36 it
felt smooth for the first time.

I disagree. A good frame rate is an essential characteristic of any
racing game, but ESPECIALLY for a sim! It really doesn't matter what
other qualities the game has, a slow frame rate kills it for many
people.

Joe McGinn
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Radical Entertainment

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Did he turn you into a NEWT???\
dave :) Henrie

> > >--"A . . . witch?"
> > >--"A witch! BURN HIM! BURRRNNNN HIM!!"

> > A witch? How do you *know* he's a witch...? :-)

> 'e looks like one!

> --

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

From all the posts I've read in the last few weeks, frame rates seem lower
with TNT and GeForce owners than Voodoo. An observation only in an attempt
to understand why some people have the frame rate problem and some don't.
Iain

> >The Voodoo owners (2 and 3) seem to be very happy. I am

> >Athlon 750.

> It's not the graphics card, it's the frame rate. 25 fps is BAREKY
> acceptable to me, though still slow enough to be annoying. I remember
> how I striggled with GPL on my old P200 because I couldn't get the
> frame-rate above 25. Then when I upgraded my CPU and got up to 36 it
> felt smooth for the first time.

> >Again, I don't want to start the debate again, but I will say that the
main
> >complaint that people have is about frame rate - hardly a sensible way of
> >assessing the quality of the sim itself!

> I disagree. A good frame rate is an essential characteristic of any
> racing game, but ESPECIALLY for a sim! It really doesn't matter what
> other qualities the game has, a slow frame rate kills it for many
> people.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

That is the funniest and best post I've seen for ages on this NG! Ha, ha,
ha!
Iain

> --"A . . . witch?"
> --"A witch! BURN HIM! BURRRNNNN HIM!!"

> ;)

> --DK

> > Having MGPRS2 and GPL rated the same is pure heresy.

by **Jo Hels** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

"Open architecture"?

I would rather say: "With all the incredibly motivated freaks out
there" <G>

JoH

by **Jo Hels** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:06:29 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

>I had a Athlon 500 when the sim first came out, and to be honest I don't see
>that much difference with the upgrade to 750!
>Iain

So, is this GOOD news or even more hopeless? ;-)

JoH

by **mas..** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>It's not the graphics card, it's the frame rate. 25 fps is BAREKY
>acceptable to me, though still slow enough to be annoying. I remember
>how I striggled with GPL on my old P200 because I couldn't get the
>frame-rate above 25. Then when I upgraded my CPU and got up to 36 it
>felt smooth for the first time.

This is perhaps particular to that title (GPL that is). I found it hard to
believe that the 25 fps displayed in GPL was indeed 25, or that the 36 is 36.
Notice how it doesn't seem smooth at less than 36? And I don't mean just
car control. Just look at the scenery. Whereas in ICR or ICR2, I found
it much smoother looking (and driving) at 20 fps, and even playable at
less than 15 fps (this is going back some years). Part may be due to
changing tolerance level, part may be the higher physics demands of GPL
require more input. But I posit that part is a, umm, questionable fps
counter. Perhaps the graphics, or the engine, aren't updating everything at
that shown rate.

by **William Yowel** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I beg to disagree. I think the slow frame rates are due to graphics card
incompatibility. I have a TNT2 (Guillemot Xentor MaxiGamer - 32 MB RAM) and two
12Meg Voodoo2 cards is SLI. In software mode, or with the "primary video card",
I see the slow frame rates that are causing the complaints. With the "secondary
card" (the Voodoo2s in SLI), it is quite smooth at 1024x768 with 12 cars,
details on high for many things, but most of the miscellaneous off. I have a
Falcon-Northwest PIII 550 with 128 Meg Ram.

As an aside, I enjoy the many difficulty choice settings so that this old slow
driver can reach the "Podium" at Silverstone, anticipating this weekend's race.

> It's not the graphics card, it's the frame rate. 25 fps is BARELY
> acceptable to me, though still slow enough to be annoying. I

by **Chuck Kandle** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> >--"A . . . witch?"
> >--"A witch! BURN HIM! BURRRNNNN HIM!!"

> >;)

> >--DK

> >> Having MGPRS2 and GPL rated the same is pure heresy.

> A witch? How do you *know* he's a witch...? :-)

Easy! Hold him under water. If he continues to breathe, he's a witch.
If not......

--
Chuck Kandler #70
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at:
http://topgear.dhs.org/ Come on & join the fun!

They'll call you names
And spit in your face,
But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

by **AstonMartinDB0** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I had F1 2000 and also returned to EB,I guess I will wait till GP3 comes out.

by **Joe6** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>From all the posts I've read in the last few weeks, frame rates seem lower
>with TNT and GeForce owners than Voodoo.

The point is they are unacceptably low (for many people) on ALL cards,
even running on powerhouse systems like yours, and even on Voodoo
cards. Everytime I see someone saying the framerate is good on their
Voodoo they are like "Oh it's great, I tweaked the hell out of it and
got it up to 25 fps." 25 fps is not great, it's a poorly optimized
graphics engine.

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

by **Joe6** » Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>Whereas in ICR or ICR2, I found
>it much smoother looking (and driving) at 20 fps, and even playable at
>less than 15 fps (this is going back some years).

I still disagree. I remember having to run ICR2 and N2 in 320x200, as
it was the only way to get a really solid frame-rate.

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

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