rec.autos.simulators

by **Colin Harri** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK, TOCA)
that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of memory? Is
it DirectX? Drivers? I'm determined to get to the bottom of this, cos it's a
hell of a pain in the arse.
System specs: AMD K6 II 400, 128 Mb RAM, SB Live, Voodoo3 2000....any help
putting me in the right direction would be appreciated.

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by **Mike Barlo** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Could be your screen saver kicking in? or the power saving stuff in
Windows? turn them both off and see what happens. I'm sure there's other
possibilities to.

>The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK, TOCA)
>that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
>Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of memory?
Is
>it DirectX? Drivers? I'm determined to get to the bottom of this, cos it's
a
>hell of a pain in the arse.
> System specs: AMD K6 II 400, 128 Mb RAM, SB Live, Voodoo3 2000....any help
>putting me in the right direction would be appreciated.

>--

>Colin Harris
>ColinHarris in N3/NL
>Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
>http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
>ICQ 25485061

by **CLAW** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

If your PC is overclocked it can be because it is getting too hot

by **Colin Harri** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

none of these...I have no screensaver, the power saver is set to never, and
I don't overclock...any other ideas? What actually happens is that the
screen freezes, and whatever sound is playing in the background loops over
and over again...

--

Colin Harris
ColinHarris in N3/NL
Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
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ICQ 25485061

> If your PC is overclocked it can be because it is getting too hot

> > The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK,
> TOCA)
> > that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
> > Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of
memory?
> Is
> > it DirectX? Drivers? I'm determined to get to the bottom of this, cos
it's
> a
> > hell of a pain in the arse.
> > System specs: AMD K6 II 400, 128 Mb RAM, SB Live, Voodoo3 2000....any
> help
> > putting me in the right direction would be appreciated.

> > --

> > Colin Harris
> > ColinHarris in N3/NL
> > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
> > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
> > ICQ 25485061

by **dafn..** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

My guess is a problem with SB Live and AMD. I replaced by SB live (I
also have a AMD K7 600 cpu) with a old POS ensonique (sp) and haven't
had a problem yet with locking up but sound is well, uh lacking. Can't
have everything. Where would you put it all.

by **Coli** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I had similar problems and ALL my black screen lockups were cured by doing
two things:
1. Installing an additional fan for my GeForce card for some additional
cooling.
2. Upgrading my chipset drivers to the latest version.

Also ensure you have the latest sound card and video card drivers.
My best guess would be your motherboard though...
...Colin

by **Don Hancock (** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK, TOCA)
>that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
>Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of memory?

Is

MOST of the time, freezes without errors are caused by bad power (power
supply, or just dirty power into the computer); CPU or RAM. Flaky memory
does VERY bizarre things. Temperature and power are the two biggest
culprits.

Gunner

by **Aubre** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I had the same problem (freeze w/looping sound) with a Voodoo 2 card.
Downloading the latest drivers fixed it.

Also, underclocking it might be an easy way to find out if it's a heat
prolem. Not sure how you do that for a Voodoo 3, but for the V2 it's as
easy as adding a line to your autoexec.bat. My V2 runs remarkably cooler at
80 MHz instead of the default 90.

-A

by **SlipStrea** » Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:00:00

It could just be because PC's suck - get a Gameboy : )

> I had similar problems and ALL my black screen lockups were cured by doing
> two things:
> 1. Installing an additional fan for my GeForce card for some additional
> cooling.
> 2. Upgrading my chipset drivers to the latest version.

> Also ensure you have the latest sound card and video card drivers.
> My best guess would be your motherboard though...
> ...Colin

> > none of these...I have no screensaver, the power saver is set to never,
> and
> > I don't overclock...any other ideas? What actually happens is that the
> > screen freezes, and whatever sound is playing in the background loops
over
> > and over again...

by **Colin Harri** » Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I really appreciate those who answered in here, and those who emailed me
privately...I'm cracking on with a few things, but they're all stabs in the
dark. If anyone else has ideas, I'd love to hear them!

--

Colin Harris
ColinHarris in N3/NL
Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
ICQ 25485061

by **Chris Bloo** » Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>none of these...I have no screensaver, the power saver is set
to never, and
>I don't overclock...any other ideas? What actually happens is
that the
>screen freezes, and whatever sound is playing in the background
loops over
>and over again...

Well this just happened to me while under yellow (NR99) at
Daytona with 5 to go!! What happened after that was alot of
swearing and frustration, amybe a bit uncalled for as I was in
36th position at the time:)

This only happens to me in NR99 (always under a caution) and a
couple of D3D games. Fortunatly not in GPL or SCGT though:)

The problem with the D3D games is My Savage 4 card. I don't
know about NR99 though as this happened before I had the Savage
4. Could be sloppy programming by Papyrus, like when your car
goes inside another one! I wouldn't dare to suggest such a
thing in this forum though.

Chris

>--

>Colin Harris
>ColinHarris in N3/NL
>Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
>http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
>ICQ 25485061

>> If your PC is overclocked it can be because it is getting too
hot

>> > The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games
(GP500, SBK,
>> TOCA)
>> > that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the
on/off button.
>> > Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it
out of
>memory?
>> Is
>> > it DirectX? Drivers? I'm determined to get to the bottom of
this, cos
>it's
>> a
>> > hell of a pain in the arse.
>> > System specs: AMD K6 II 400, 128 Mb RAM, SB Live, Voodoo3
2000....any
>> help
>> > putting me in the right direction would be appreciated.

>> > --

>> > Colin Harris
>> > ColinHarris in N3/NL
>> > Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
>> > http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
>> > ICQ 25485061

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by **sfzeck** » Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I had similar problems w/ D3D games and got the same advice from
NGs, e.g. fans/heat, bad memory, antivirus software. For me, it
turned out to be MoBo BIOS settings. I DL'ed some shareware
called Powertweak (www.powertweak.com) that fixed it. I don't
know what it really did, other than fix the freeze problems.
Good thing though, because I was at the end of my rope.

Good luck

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by J » Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:00:00

LOL

>It could just be because PC's suck - get a Gameboy : )

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by **John Bodi** » Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:00:00

True to a certain extent, but check out this info about VXD problems (it
fixed my D3D problems):

http://www.mcs.net/~revolutn/win98_vxd_fix.htm

-- JB

>>The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK,
TOCA)
>>that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
>>Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of memory?
>Is

> MOST of the time, freezes without errors are caused by bad power (power
>supply, or just dirty power into the computer); CPU or RAM. Flaky memory
>does VERY bizarre things. Temperature and power are the two biggest
>culprits.

>Gunner

by **John Bodi** » Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:00:00

This is probably a VXD problem in your Windows operating system. I had
similar problems and I found a great site that has a VXD fix batch file and
instructions -- here's the scoop:

What are .VXD's and why does Windows 98 need a fix?

Windows 95 and 98 both use a compression technique to theoretically speed up
Windows load time, which combines many system VXD's into one monolithic VXD
file named VMM32.VXD. However, theory and the real world have been proven
not to work 100% of the time.

The results for many users of Windows 98 are:

System instability
BSOD's (Blue Screen Of Death)
Mouse lockups
Problems during Shut Down.
Screen suddenly freezes, ALT+CTRL+DEL will not recover.
If YOU have experienced these problems, this fix alone may eliminate them
completely!!

.VXD's are Virtual eXtended Device drivers, and Windows uses them to control
the function of such things as:

Your mouse.

The hardware you modem uses. (Comm Port)

Your Video Display Adaptor (Video Card)

And others

Visit their site for a "fix":

http://www.mcs.net/~revolutn/win98_vxd_fix.htm

Or go to their FAQ file for more info:

http://www.mcs.net/~revolutn/vxdfaq.htm

I didn't use their batch file, but I did read over the FAQ, and then I
extracted the "magic 7" VXD files manually, and it really helped my lockup
problems. I HIGHLY recommend this if you're having lockups -- think of it
as a system "tuneup."

-- JB

>The title says it all, really...I have a couple of games (GP500, SBK, TOCA)
>that freeze, and the only way to get out is to switch the on/off button.
>Now, what's happened that would make a game do this? Is it out of memory?
Is
>it DirectX? Drivers? I'm determined to get to the bottom of this, cos it's
a
>hell of a pain in the arse.
> System specs: AMD K6 II 400, 128 Mb RAM, SB Live, Voodoo3 2000....any help
>putting me in the right direction would be appreciated.

>--

>Colin Harris
>ColinHarris in N3/NL
>Proud co-owner - CLONE N.Legends league
>http://members.chello.se/clone/index.htm
>ICQ 25485061

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