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There appears to be a bug in the Wise installer which on some systems
can cause long file names to be truncated to 8.3 format during the patch
process.  The Sierra.com multiplayer login does a CRC check on the
executables and DLLs, and if they are not named properly they will not
be found and hence fail the check resulting in the "out of date" error.

Rename the following files:
NASCAR~1.exe > "NASCAR Racing 4.exe"
Sierra~1.dll > "SierraUpN4Res.dll"
rendse~1.dll > "Rendserver.dll"

And perhaps:
Paintkit\n4paint~1.rsc > Paintkit\n4paintkit.rsc

- Eric

I downloaded the patch from the ftp2.sierra.com site with an FTP client.
Even though it did time out during the download and I had to go back in the
morning to finish, (they have resume on in the site, :-) I like ftp
clients).
Ya can't get on this morning, "Too Many Anonymous User's Logged On" suggest
a re-download of the patch?

Was hesitant about patching after reading about some of these posts. But
everything went sweet with only the warning about "Third Party Add Ons".
Even though I do have a graphic add-on for the gauges, no problems here.
Sheeeit ! I haven't even read the readme yet, Just tested it out in one race
and didn't see any great frame rate increase. :((

You didn't mention what OS you were running, Win98??? also what
motherboard/chipset do you have?
What manufacture of CD-ROM do you have?
I don kno, all I can say is sounds like a video driver problem to me, Did
you re-run the "Configure 3D Graphics" again?

Virus? Trojan? I see in header/message info you are using OE 5.5, there is a
new security patch that came out for all version of Internet Explorer on
Oct. 10th. suggest upgrading to IE 6.0 & OE 6.0 and putting everything on
"High Restrictions".
8 new virus's have come out since October 1st.

Oh well that's about it for me Thom, Cheer up thou, Did you see the 500GP
from Phillips Island? Great race wasn't it.
The F1 Suzuka race was pretty good, or did all the F1 bashers sleep through
it?.........he he LOL

Hey I like your monitor, I'm bummed, my 19" Sony is acting up and may need
to go in for warranty. :(((((
I had to go out and buy some High Powered read'in glasses to see this little
but sweet Dell Trinitron 15" monitor in 1024x768.

Last tip? 10 hours? I think it is time to "A:\format c:" and reinstall
everything? naaa just kidding, but 10hrs???

Good Luck, I gotta get off to D.I.S.

--
R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE  2/25/52 - 7/2/2000

http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm

These are from Eric

"How many of you with this problem have HTP370 Raid controllers, either
on-board or as a PCI add-on?  There seems that certain HTP370 driver/bios
combinations are having problems with the SecuROM copy protection.  If you
haven't already, visit you motherboard manufacturer as well as
www.highpoint-tech.com to obtain the latest non-beta release versions and
see if it helps the problem."

"Each time an executable is "SecuROM'ed" it uses the latest protection Sony
has available on their site.  Basically we build the executable just as we
would for any project, send it to Sony using a utility they provide, the
SecuROM protection is applied, and then the now "SecuROM'ed" EXE is sent
back to us."

"That would be my conclusion as there is nothing in our code that does the
copy protection, and as expected the n4server.exe which doesn't use SecuROM
seems to work fine on these systems.

There's really little if any consumer information available on the SecuROM
site: www.securom.com  I'll see if our contacts there have any insight or
suggestions."

"Ok, good news.  Both HighPoint and the Sony SecuROM people are aware of the
problem and are working on a solution.  At this point it's unclear if it
will be a HighPoint driver fix or a SecuROM fix, but I'll keep you posted as
to what they are able to find out.

Until then, you might want to try the older 1.0.3 drivers as these have
proven successful for some users.  HighPoint recommends that you not connect
any CDROM drives to the RAID controller, and instead use the motherboard's
standard ATA controller.  Additionally if you're currently not using the
RAID functionality for your hard drives, you might to temporarily switch
them over to the standard ATA controller as well."

| Posted already by Eric Busch:
|
|
|
| There appears to be a bug in the Wise installer which on some systems
| can cause long file names to be truncated to 8.3 format during the patch
| process.  The Sierra.com multiplayer login does a CRC check on the
| executables and DLLs, and if they are not named properly they will not
| be found and hence fail the check resulting in the "out of date" error.
|
| Rename the following files:
| NASCAR~1.exe > "NASCAR Racing 4.exe"
| Sierra~1.dll > "SierraUpN4Res.dll"
| rendse~1.dll > "Rendserver.dll"
|
| And perhaps:
| Paintkit\n4paint~1.rsc > Paintkit\n4paintkit.rsc
|
| - Eric
|
|


| > I have some serious problems {or I think I do?} with the new patch!
| > I have worked with this for over 10-hours now and re-installed from
| > scratch 5 times! Still once I get past the 1.1 patch and install the 1.3
| > Nascar 4 wont budge, absolutely nothing! One thing that does work
| > is it will load the net'server.exe but once I host & I get into the
track
| > my screen of the track is all black & I can not go onto the track via
| > the "Start" button!!
| > Plus now that it is locked I have all my setups. etc. in there that are
| > worthless unless [a] I get the 1.3 patch to run or [b] get back to the
| > 1.1 patch!! I have *Never* had any problems installing or patching
| > any Sierra or Papyrus products but this really has 'N4' all screwed
| > up! Please help! Anyone! Tia.. Thom_j.
| > PC Specs: CPU Intel P3 1gig,Video GF2GTS-Pro 64megs of ram,
| > Ram on mobo 512megs of PC133, Sound SBLive, Monitor P220f
| > 22" Monitor Professional series, Game controller Guillemot Ferrari
| > FFB Race Wheel, 3-30gig Maxtor 7200-rpms HDs, CDRom only!

| > Nvidia driver version 1241
| >
| >
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| Holy Moly Thom, I don't know where to start on this.
|
| I downloaded the patch from the ftp2.sierra.com site with an FTP client.
| Even though it did time out during the download and I had to go back in
the
| morning to finish, (they have resume on in the site, :-) I like ftp
| clients).
| Ya can't get on this morning, "Too Many Anonymous User's Logged On"
suggest
| a re-download of the patch?

Red are you telling me to re-download form anothe ftp sight just I
have a corrupted 1/.3 patch? "makes sense!"

| Was hesitant about patching after reading about some of these posts. But
| everything went sweet with only the warning about "Third Party Add Ons".
| Even though I do have a graphic add-on for the gauges, no problems here.
| Sheeeit ! I haven't even read the readme yet, Just tested it out in one
race
| and didn't see any great frame rate increase. :((

One of the thing that Pees Me off is that I always back up my old
version first but I have been so immeresed in my music that I just
didnt think.. stupid Arse me! phew

| You didn't mention what OS you were running, Win98??? also what
| motherboard/chipset do you have?
| What manufacture of CD-ROM do you have?
| I don kno, all I can say is sounds like a video driver problem to me, Did
| you re-run the "Configure 3D Graphics" again?

Sorry! Windows 98SE, mobo Abit SA6R, CDRom just an old
Mitsumi Cd-Rom 40xspeed nothing new, Do you mean the 3D
Configure within Nascar 4 if I did it over 20 times! :) If you are
talking about re-installing drivers my OS, no I didnt

| Virus? Trojan? I see in header/message info you are using OE 5.5, there is
a
| new security patch that came out for all version of Internet Explorer on
| Oct. 10th. suggest upgrading to IE 6.0 & OE 6.0 and putting everything on
| "High Restrictions".
| 8 new virus's have come out since October 1st.

I run OE 5.1 not 5.5. but what would this have to do with N4 not
running with the new 1.3 patch? btw: I did not know that 6.0 was
out? Viruses etc well I use AVG6.0 Anit-Virus & upgrade about
twice a week, if not more..

| Oh well that's about it for me Thom, Cheer up thou, Did you see the 500GP
| from Phillips Island? Great race wasn't it.
| The F1 Suzuka race was pretty good, or did all the F1 bashers sleep
through
| it?.........he he LOL

I have been on a "min-sabbatical" from racing with my music
thing so I missed it! Really getting into the jazz genre now but
also I've been re-studying my music theory, notation etc from
almost scratch but I flew thru most of the bsics quickly :)

| Hey I like your monitor, I'm bummed, my 19" Sony is acting up and may need
| to go in for warranty. :(((((
| I had to go out and buy some High Powered read'in glasses to see this
little
| but sweet Dell Trinitron 15" monitor in 1024x768.

I just love my 22" Viewsonic! I am selling my 19"er on eBay
right now! I always run 1600x1200.. :)

| Last tip? 10 hours? I think it is time to "A:\format c:" and reinstall
| everything? naaa just kidding, but 10hrs???

lol.. I run Three 30gig HDs & all my games are the D: Drive :)
music & photography on E: ...lol

| Good Luck, I gotta get off to D.I.S.

Thanx I need it! phew.. Cheers Thom_j.

| --
| R.I.P. - William Joseph Dunlop OBE MBE  2/25/52 - 7/2/2000
|
| http://www.roadracers.uk.com/legend.htm
|
|
|

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| Thom, seems that Sony is using a newer version of SecuRom and this is
| causing some problems.  Here are the messages that Eric has posted and the
| one about updating your RAID drivers may help you... it also explains why
| this is happening to some people
|
| These are from Eric
|
| "How many of you with this problem have HTP370 Raid controllers, either
| on-board or as a PCI add-on?  There seems that certain HTP370 driver/bios
| combinations are having problems with the SecuROM copy protection.  If you
| haven't already, visit you motherboard manufacturer as well as
| www.highpoint-tech.com to obtain the latest non-beta release versions and
| see if it helps the problem."
|
| "Each time an executable is "SecuROM'ed" it uses the latest protection
Sony
| has available on their site.  Basically we build the executable just as we
| would for any project, send it to Sony using a utility they provide, the
| SecuROM protection is applied, and then the now "SecuROM'ed" EXE is sent
| back to us."
|
| "That would be my conclusion as there is nothing in our code that does the
| copy protection, and as expected the n4server.exe which doesn't use
SecuROM
| seems to work fine on these systems.
|
| There's really little if any consumer information available on the SecuROM
| site: www.securom.com  I'll see if our contacts there have any insight or
| suggestions."
|
|
| "Ok, good news.  Both HighPoint and the Sony SecuROM people are aware of
the
| problem and are working on a solution.  At this point it's unclear if it
| will be a HighPoint driver fix or a SecuROM fix, but I'll keep you posted
as
| to what they are able to find out.
|
| Until then, you might want to try the older 1.0.3 drivers as these have
| proven successful for some users.  HighPoint recommends that you not
connect
| any CDROM drives to the RAID controller, and instead use the motherboard's
| standard ATA controller.  Additionally if you're currently not using the
| RAID functionality for your hard drives, you might to temporarily switch
| them over to the standard ATA controller as well."
|
|
|
|

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| Yep. I just re-read the post and the fact that server.exe will run is a
good
| clue. <G>
|


| > He is having problems with the SecuRom protection
| >
| >


| > > Posted already by Eric Busch:
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > There appears to be a bug in the Wise installer which on some systems
| > > can cause long file names to be truncated to 8.3 format during the
patch
| > > process.  The Sierra.com multiplayer login does a CRC check on the
| > > executables and DLLs, and if they are not named properly they will not
| > > be found and hence fail the check resulting in the "out of date"
error.
| > >
| > > Rename the following files:
| > > NASCAR~1.exe > "NASCAR Racing 4.exe"
| > > Sierra~1.dll > "SierraUpN4Res.dll"
| > > rendse~1.dll > "Rendserver.dll"
| > >
| > > And perhaps:
| > > Paintkit\n4paint~1.rsc > Paintkit\n4paintkit.rsc
| > >
| > > - Eric
| > >
| > >


| > > > I have some serious problems {or I think I do?} with the new patch!
| > > > I have worked with this for over 10-hours now and re-installed from
| > > > scratch 5 times! Still once I get past the 1.1 patch and install the
| 1.3
| > > > Nascar 4 wont budge, absolutely nothing! One thing that does work
| > > > is it will load the net'server.exe but once I host & I get into the
| > track
| > > > my screen of the track is all black & I can not go onto the track
via
| > > > the "Start" button!!
| > > > Plus now that it is locked I have all my setups. etc. in there that
| are
| > > > worthless unless [a] I get the 1.3 patch to run or [b] get back to
the
| > > > 1.1 patch!! I have *Never* had any problems installing or patching
| > > > any Sierra or Papyrus products but this really has 'N4' all screwed
| > > > up! Please help! Anyone! Tia.. Thom_j.
| > > > PC Specs: CPU Intel P3 1gig,Video GF2GTS-Pro 64megs of ram,
| > > > Ram on mobo 512megs of PC133, Sound SBLive, Monitor P220f
| > > > 22" Monitor Professional series, Game controller Guillemot Ferrari
| > > > FFB Race Wheel, 3-30gig Maxtor 7200-rpms HDs, CDRom only!

| > > > Nvidia driver version 1241
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > ---
| > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| > > > Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/2001
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

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Obviously I do not know if yours does, but it was just something that seems
to be causing most of the problems

| Certain motherboards have that RAID controller on board.
|
| Obviously I do not know if yours does, but it was just something that
seems
| to be causing most of the problems
|
|


| > Sorry Cliff but I am at a loss? I have no Sony equipment & nothing
| > to do with RAID{or I do not think I do?}.. I am runing the Mitsumi
| > CD-Rom FX3205 !B drivers & I run an Asus GF2GTS'Pro 64mgs
| > of ram!! Please detail your reply in regards to my PC system & this
| > SecuROM, etc..! Tia.. Thom_j.
| >


| > | Thom, seems that Sony is using a newer version of SecuRom and this is
| > | causing some problems.  Here are the messages that Eric has posted and
| the
| > | one about updating your RAID drivers may help you... it also explains
| why
| > | this is happening to some people
| > |
| > | These are from Eric
| > |
| > | "How many of you with this problem have HTP370 Raid controllers,
either
| > | on-board or as a PCI add-on?  There seems that certain HTP370
| driver/bios
| > | combinations are having problems with the SecuROM copy protection.  If
| you
| > | haven't already, visit you motherboard manufacturer as well as
| > | www.highpoint-tech.com to obtain the latest non-beta release versions
| and
| > | see if it helps the problem."
| > |
| > | "Each time an executable is "SecuROM'ed" it uses the latest protection
| > Sony
| > | has available on their site.  Basically we build the executable just
as
| we
| > | would for any project, send it to Sony using a utility they provide,
the
| > | SecuROM protection is applied, and then the now "SecuROM'ed" EXE is
sent
| > | back to us."
| > |
| > | "That would be my conclusion as there is nothing in our code that does
| the
| > | copy protection, and as expected the n4server.exe which doesn't use
| > SecuROM
| > | seems to work fine on these systems.
| > |
| > | There's really little if any consumer information available on the
| SecuROM
| > | site: www.securom.com  I'll see if our contacts there have any insight
| or
| > | suggestions."
| > |
| > |
| > | "Ok, good news.  Both HighPoint and the Sony SecuROM people are aware
of
| > the
| > | problem and are working on a solution.  At this point it's unclear if
it
| > | will be a HighPoint driver fix or a SecuROM fix, but I'll keep you
| posted
| > as
| > | to what they are able to find out.
| > |
| > | Until then, you might want to try the older 1.0.3 drivers as these
have
| > | proven successful for some users.  HighPoint recommends that you not
| > connect
| > | any CDROM drives to the RAID controller, and instead use the
| motherboard's
| > | standard ATA controller.  Additionally if you're currently not using
the
| > | RAID functionality for your hard drives, you might to temporarily
switch
| > | them over to the standard ATA controller as well."
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > ---
| > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
| > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| > Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/2001
| >
| >
|
|

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-Tim

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