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I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

Harjan Bran

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Harjan Bran » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am not
supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their work
is appreciated by me.
If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra that
we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I would
pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one copy
to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

Andrew Turne

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Andrew Turne » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Harjan,

This might sound silly, but you could have sent the $75 directly to Papy....

Or me, or whatever. : ]

Andrew


> I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am not
> supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their work
> is appreciated by me.
> If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra that
> we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I would
> pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one copy
> to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

Harjan Bran

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Harjan Bran » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I don't really agree, all I want to show (and I need others to follow my
example to bring over the message) is that I'm willing to pay 5 times the
regular price. I'm not planning on paying an additional $250 for GPL but I
will pay it for GPL2.

I was in a bit of a strange mood and felt so bad about seeing GPL on the
shelves for only $15

Steven Crook-Dawkin

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Steven Crook-Dawkin » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

You are mad.


> I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am not
> supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their work
> is appreciated by me.
> If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra that
> we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I would
> pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one copy
> to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

--
Steve
Harjan Bran

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Harjan Bran » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Probably.


> You are mad.


> > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
not
> > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
work
> > is appreciated by me.
> > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
that
> > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
would
> > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
copy
> > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

> --
> Steve

Andrew Turne

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Andrew Turne » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Harjan,

When I get GPL 2, I'll gladly pick up an extra copy and sell it to you for
$250, then I will write a nice letter to our friends at Papyrus telling them
how much you appreciate their craftsmanship.

(I'm kidding! Kidding! Settle down.)

I am looking forward to this too. I know how you feel about seeing a great
product so cheap. I empathize with inanimate objects too, like the clown in
the little machine where you put a quarter in and he does a little dance, and
then you get a little plastic egg with a toy in it.

It's like he has no real friends.

Andrew


> I don't really agree, all I want to show (and I need others to follow my
> example to bring over the message) is that I'm willing to pay 5 times the
> regular price. I'm not planning on paying an additional $250 for GPL but I
> will pay it for GPL2.

> I was in a bit of a strange mood and felt so bad about seeing GPL on the
> shelves for only $15

Steven Crook-Dawkin

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Steven Crook-Dawkin » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

:-)

Out of interest - whereabouts is it selling at that price? Last time
I saw it they wanted 34 - (about $60).


> Probably.



> > You are mad.


> > > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> > > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
> not
> > > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
> work
> > > is appreciated by me.
> > > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
> that
> > > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
> would
> > > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> > > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
> copy
> > > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

> > --
> > Steve

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Andrew Turne

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Andrew Turne » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I ordered it from www.dragon.ca... $15 us plus shipping.

Andrew


> :-)

> Out of interest - whereabouts is it selling at that price? Last time
> I saw it they wanted 34 - (about $60).


> > Probably.



> > > You are mad.


> > > > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> > > > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > > > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
> > not
> > > > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
> > work
> > > > is appreciated by me.
> > > > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
> > that
> > > > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
> > would
> > > > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> > > > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
> > copy
> > > > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

> > > --
> > > Steve

> --
> Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.

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Harjan Bran

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Harjan Bran » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

In Holland it's selling for $15.


> :-)

> Out of interest - whereabouts is it selling at that price? Last time
> I saw it they wanted 34 - (about $60).


> > Probably.


message

> > > You are mad.


> > > > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it
as
> > > > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to
the
> > > > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I
am
> > not
> > > > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much
their
> > work
> > > > is appreciated by me.
> > > > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to
Papy/Sierra
> > that
> > > > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that
I
> > would
> > > > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).

> > > > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent
one
> > copy
> > > > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.

> > > --
> > > Steve

> --
> Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.

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> University of York, BAE SYSTEMS or any
> other party.

Brett C. Camma

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Brett C. Camma » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Send a box to Alan De Cadenay (misspelled?) care of SpeedVision!  I've
been thinking about trying to contact him via email through their site
and enquire if he's aware of the sim and if he's ever tried it.  He's
one guy that would appreciate GPL, I'm certain.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL

Ashley McConnel

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Ashley McConnel » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Seems a bit of a waste though!

Go and try to convert some arcade racers.....show them the error of their
ways :)

Ash
http://www.race-timing.com

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Harjan Bran

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Harjan Bran » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

If you take care of the contact you can use one of my copies if he's
interested.



jbo..

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by jbo.. » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Do you plan to support MGI, ISI, and EA in a similar manner?  Viper
Racing, SCGT, F1 2000, and NFS:PU are all excellent products that go
quite a ways towards furthering the state of realism in driving/racing
simulations.  These games all exhibit realistic driving and physics
models that aspire towards the GPL end of the spectrum, and each of
these titles helps bring greater overall diversity to the genre, thus
attracting more potential sim racing enthusiasts, which in turn helps
increase the possibility that we will see more realistic simulators
from game companies in the future.

Papyrus is at the mercy of Sierra/Havas -- ultimately, Papyrus will
only produce what their corporate masters allow.  To limit our support
to one company such as Papyrus only sends one message to game
developers in general:  Realistic racing simulations do not sell unless
they're from Papyrus.  With this kind of a message, all that we can be
sure of is that we probably continue to see an endless string of NASCAR
titles from Papyrus, since the NASCAR license is obviously Papyrus'
number-one moneymaker.

Which is great if you love NASCAR sims and nothing else, I suppose.
This doesn't necessarily seem like the best path to achieving something
like a turbo-era F1 simulation with GPL-calibur physics, though.

In the end, while it is admirable to vote with your wallet and to
follow your heart, you still have to make sure that the brain comes
into play somewhere in the process.

-- JB



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Tim O

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Tim O » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00



[snip]

Buy 100,000 more copies, and you might get your wish!

Tim

Gary

I've put my money where my mouth is (GPL)

by Gary » Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Although your intentions were well meaning, you took 5 copies of the
best racing sim of all time off the market.

5 people that may have thought, "what the hell, for $15 I'll try it",
and might have become part of our GPL community. Those 5 people might
have spread the word even more.

At this point, Papy wouldn't have noticed a difference in profit, but
we as a GPL community could have possibly benefited from having 5 new
drivers join us online.

Just my opinion,

-GaryR




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