It was in *** in Birmingham a month or so ago, on Sierra originals,
for a tenner. And the Computer Exchange shops (I think there's one in
Leeds, which is probably your closest) normally have a couple of
second-hand copies in.
Better tell Deja, then ;-)
--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)
Its 9.99 in most places now. eg. http://www.softwarefirst.com
Ash
| :-)
|
| Out of interest - whereabouts is it selling at that price? Last time
| I saw it they wanted 34 - (about $60).
|
|
| > Probably.
| >
message
| > > You are mad.
| > >
| > >
| > > > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it
as
| > > > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to
the
| > > > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I
am
| > not
| > > > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much
their
| > work
| > > > is appreciated by me.
| > > > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to
Papy/Sierra
| > that
| > > > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that
I
| > would
| > > > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).
| > > >
| > > > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent
one
| > copy
| > > > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.
| > >
| > > --
| > > Steve
| > >
|
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> Out of interest - whereabouts is it selling at that price? Last time
> I saw it they wanted 34 - (about $60).
> > Probably.
> > > You are mad.
> > > > I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> > > > well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > > > wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
> > not
> > > > supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
> > work
> > > > is appreciated by me.
> > > > If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
> > that
> > > > we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
> > would
> > > > pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).
> > > > I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
> > copy
> > > > to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.
> > > --
> > > Steve
> --
> Steven Crook-Dawkins - Research Assistant - University of York.
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> It is intended solely for the addressee.
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> University of York, BAE SYSTEMS or any
> other party.
> 5 people that may have thought, "what the hell, for $15 I'll try it",
> and might have become part of our GPL community. Those 5 people might
> have spread the word even more.
> At this point, Papy wouldn't have noticed a difference in profit, but
> we as a GPL community could have possibly benefited from having 5 new
> drivers join us online.
> Just my opinion,
> -GaryR
> >I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> >well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> >wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
not
> >supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
work
> >is appreciated by me.
> >If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
that
> >we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
would
> >pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).
> >I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
copy
> >to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.
A couple companies have already tried this with flight simulation.
One is called X-Plane, and it has been marginally successful.
I say marginally, because one guy made it, and he manages to eke out a
living doing updates.
Another company tried to do this, marketing a jet simulation for a
little over $100. I can't recall the name of the game or the company,
because I haven't heard it in a long time, and I don't think they're
around anymore...
It might have been Combat Simulations Inc. Something official sounding
like that, anyway.
Last time I saw the sim, it was being closed out for the same 15 bucks
you paid for GPL.
The guys in the flight sim newsgroups are still saying the same thing
you're saying -that they'll pay over $100 for a simulation not
marketed in traditional game methods/prices, yet when someone tried
it, it didn't work.
If everyone here who posts in the GPL threads bought 5 copies for $15,
it'd probably amount to between 750 and 1000 dollars.
Even if you did it all on the same day at the same time, it wouldn't
even make a blip on the scope.
To be unbiased, I should say I -have- seen it work, sort of.
There is a program that simulates R/C airplanes for practice. You use
an R/C aircraft controller hooked up to your serial port. I think the
program sells for $239. This is a very fringe product though, and
those companies seem to be better able to handle low volume/high
priced stuff.
Tim
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
This type of thing requires a high level of support from the niche
market (the intended audience), but it also requires a high degree of
dedication on the part of the developer, too. It almost has to be a
labor of love for the developer, and with corporate masters like
Sierra/Havas who have to answer to shareholders and watch the profit
margins, Papyrus may not be in a position where they have the luxury of
pursuing labors of love any further. GPL obviously WAS a labor of
love, and kudos to Papy for that, but the NASCAR license represents
"golden handcuffs" for them right now -- it's worth a lot of money, and
it brings in a lot of money, so it's going to be their main focus from
here on out, most likely.
The down side is also that many of the original Papyrus people who
helped bring us their early labors of love like ICR2 are now gone.
Thankfully, their now working at companies like MGI, so hopefully GPL
will not be the last of its kind.
ICR2 had a lot of potential, and it was open enough to serve as the
basis for various other third-party "conversions," but ultimately, no
matter how good it was or how adaptable it was, it is starting to seem
very long in the tooth. A simple D3D patch from Papy would be enough
to make ICR2 worthy of a re-release as a new Indy or CART sim, but they
have not seen fit to do that, either as a profitable corporate pursuit,
or as a labor of love. ICR2 is not quite dead yet, but it's certainly
dying out rapidly (how long can the purists continue to cling to their
4- and 8-MB Rendition cards, with no DX7 drivers in sight?); GPL will
ultimately follow suit, I fear, which is a shame.
In my opinion, the West brothers' WSC game may be the closest thing we
will see in the near future that represents a niche market "labor of
love"-type thing. Maybe we should be trying to convince THEM to use
their work on that as the basis for an ultimate top-end driving sim
aimed at the niche market and distributed through alternative marketing
channels.
Still, now that I understand your motivations a little better, I do
applaud your intentions.
Now, let's all go to work on the West brothers!
-- JB
Sent via Deja.com http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Before you buy.
Sudesh
> It's quite obvious that most of you don't understand my intentions. There
> were still about 20 copies on the shelves so don't worry about new players.
> I was hoping on getting some action going of more people doing the same
> thing. When that would happen world wide you can bet Sierra would start to
> notice it. Not because their profits would go up but just that a product
> that didn't sell is being sold 5 copies a time. That signal could show them
> how much GPL means to the *** simmer. Not that they care but that would
> make the dollar signs in their eyes go 'kadingeding'. And that's all that we
> need to do.
> Guys, I'm not mad, not stupid, I'm just one of the few guys trying to keep
> the GPL legend alive and evolving. I've already had very positive reactions
> from the tv station and if all goes well they'll put in a special feauture
> for GPL. Why don't you guys understand that GPL is far too hard and
> therefore unsatisfying for the average gamer. I don't want Papy to make it
> easier, I want them to go out and sell to the the real and create new
> simmers from people who like real racing. With the sim of GPL quality that's
> possible, I've said it before. Place the product in a niche market, ask a
> higher price, don't advertise it as a game, only in the more autosport
> focussed magazines and you'll see the sales go up and with the higher
> margins (less advertising, less distribution costs (don't put it in the
> store, only online)) they can actually make a profit from doing what they
> like most. They're caught up in the traditional way of selling games as is
> invented by Sierra. Drop it.
> > Although your intentions were well meaning, you took 5 copies of the
> > best racing sim of all time off the market.
> > 5 people that may have thought, "what the hell, for $15 I'll try it",
> > and might have become part of our GPL community. Those 5 people might
> > have spread the word even more.
> > At this point, Papy wouldn't have noticed a difference in profit, but
> > we as a GPL community could have possibly benefited from having 5 new
> > drivers join us online.
> > Just my opinion,
> > -GaryR
> > >I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it as
> > >well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > >wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I am
> not
> > >supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
> work
> > >is appreciated by me.
> > >If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to Papy/Sierra
> that
> > >we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that I
> would
> > >pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).
> > >I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent one
> copy
> > >to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
> > I don't really agree, all I want to show (and I need others to follow my
> > example to bring over the message) is that I'm willing to pay 5 times
the
> > regular price. I'm not planning on paying an additional $250 for GPL but
I
> > will pay it for GPL2.
> > I was in a bit of a strange mood and felt so bad about seeing GPL on the
> > shelves for only $15
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> Thanks. I knew I probably had it wrong. I keep trying to catch it in
> the SpeedVision credits when he does something like "Legends of
> Motorsport", but no joy...
> Regards,
> Brett C. Cammack
> That's Racing! Motorsports
> Pompano Beach, FL
In addition, it would depend on what the hardware was. For example,
although I'd like to get a CD writer, as there is much opportunity for me to
use one in (for example) transcribing 200+ vinyl LPs to CD, I won't get one
until the prices drop to a level that I'm happy to pay. Ditto for upgrading
my (15") monitor; it provides a perfectly clear, readable image in zillions
of colours so why the hell should I buy a new one?
However, I would be quite prepared to fork out several hundreds of dollars
for an applications software package that I know I will use to it's fullest
extent.
But insofar as games are concerned........they're just games and I consider
that any expenditure for same to be way down the list of importance.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> > No way in the world (at current values) would I pay $250 for a piece of
> > entertainment software that, in three years time, is going to be
available
> > on Ebay for $9.99!!!
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------
> > > I don't really agree, all I want to show (and I need others to follow
my
> > > example to bring over the message) is that I'm willing to pay 5 times
> the
> > > regular price. I'm not planning on paying an additional $250 for GPL
but
> I
> > > will pay it for GPL2.
> > > I was in a bit of a strange mood and felt so bad about seeing GPL on
the
> > > shelves for only $15
> Sudesh
> > It's quite obvious that most of you don't understand my intentions.
There
> > were still about 20 copies on the shelves so don't worry about new
players.
> > I was hoping on getting some action going of more people doing the same
> > thing. When that would happen world wide you can bet Sierra would start
to
> > notice it. Not because their profits would go up but just that a product
> > that didn't sell is being sold 5 copies a time. That signal could show
them
> > how much GPL means to the *** simmer. Not that they care but that
would
> > make the dollar signs in their eyes go 'kadingeding'. And that's all
that we
> > need to do.
> > Guys, I'm not mad, not stupid, I'm just one of the few guys trying to
keep
> > the GPL legend alive and evolving. I've already had very positive
reactions
> > from the tv station and if all goes well they'll put in a special
feauture
> > for GPL. Why don't you guys understand that GPL is far too hard and
> > therefore unsatisfying for the average gamer. I don't want Papy to make
it
> > easier, I want them to go out and sell to the the real and create new
> > simmers from people who like real racing. With the sim of GPL quality
that's
> > possible, I've said it before. Place the product in a niche market, ask
a
> > higher price, don't advertise it as a game, only in the more autosport
> > focussed magazines and you'll see the sales go up and with the higher
> > margins (less advertising, less distribution costs (don't put it in the
> > store, only online)) they can actually make a profit from doing what
they
> > like most. They're caught up in the traditional way of selling games as
is
> > invented by Sierra. Drop it.
> > > Although your intentions were well meaning, you took 5 copies of the
> > > best racing sim of all time off the market.
> > > 5 people that may have thought, "what the hell, for $15 I'll try it",
> > > and might have become part of our GPL community. Those 5 people might
> > > have spread the word even more.
> > > At this point, Papy wouldn't have noticed a difference in profit, but
> > > we as a GPL community could have possibly benefited from having 5 new
> > > drivers join us online.
> > > Just my opinion,
> > > -GaryR
> > > >I've said before that I would do it and I would love others to do it
as
> > > >well. I've just bought 5 copies of GPL to show Papy my support to the
> > > >wonderful product they made. The copies were only $ 15 a piece so I
am
> > not
> > > >supporting them financially but it's just to show them how much their
> > work
> > > >is appreciated by me.
> > > >If more of us would do this we would sent out a message to
Papy/Sierra
> > that
> > > >we're willing to pay more for sims like GPL. I can honestly say that
I
> > would
> > > >pay 5 times the regular amount for GPL 2 (based on the turbo era).
> > > >I'm not sending this copies around, so please don't ask, I'll sent
one
> > copy
> > > >to the dutch tv station that broadcasts F1.
I certainly agree about letting others subsidize the newest toys, but
I do wonder sometimes about how we each perceive various "lesiure
time" and "entertainment" expenses. Why is it we can drop $500.00+
for a romantic weekend getaway with our spouses and then quibble about
purchasing a piece of hardware that costs no more than a decent dinner
for two out somewhere that will be well on it's way to the local waste
treatment plant within 24 hours of the expenditure...
No real opinion. It just strikes me curious how we develop our
viewpoints and value perceptions.
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL
