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Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

Zonk

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Zonk » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:32:59


At least we can at this stage not accuse him of posting on usenet in html.

Please, turn off your html. It is completely unneccesary.

Z.

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Rick Wes

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Rick Wes » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:41:29

    Eldred,
                 You are absolutely correct and I fully understand that not
everyone can afford a killer rig. I do not belittle anyone for having a less
than top line machine. Not at all! I readily apologize if my remarks were taken
in that context by anyone. That is in no way the spirit in which they were
intended.
    My point was that this is a supposedly professional reviewer making his
remarks in a public forum who is deliberatly insulting and falsely stereotyping
a certain group of people and attempting to do so by pointing out his own
supposed superiority in system power. It is a false superiority which is hardly
applicable in this case. It was his use of his own system to judge others by
that was unacceptable and laughable, not what kind of system yhose other people
do or do not have.
    Again, my remarks were directed only at him for his use of such tactics,
not at others for the power of their systems.

Rick W.

PS. At least I am very sure we both agree this guy is definitely not cool.  :]



> writes:

> >The most amusing and yet somehow pathetic part of the whole thing was the
> >'writers' comments on the financial status of NASCAR fans. "97% of
> >NASCAR's audience is way too poor to own a computer with enough horsepower
> >to run this game" and then he brags about his own computer, "On my Celeron
> >566" ! I just about choked with laughter. I haven't had anything that slow
> >in almost 3 years. Ok, so maybe I am ahead of the national curve in
> >computer systems. Still, a so called 'reviewer' is running a cheap Celeron
> >566 and putting other peoples systems down? Clearly, the joke's on him and
> >he dosen't even know it.

> Dude, his system is faster than my K6-3/400mhz.   It's all relative...  Not
> everyone CAN afford the top of the line system...
> But, he IS insulting to Nascar and Nascar fans... :(

> Eldred
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> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
> with experience...
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Lou Mora

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Lou Mora » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:45:15


wrote wonderful things about sparkplugs:

Don we were smoking stem and*** behind the 7-11 listening to the
M&M's sing... remember?

>Don Chapman


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Rick Wes

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Rick Wes » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:01:30

    Zonky,
                Please consider this a friendly and inquisitive post. I was
not annoyed or offened by your rebuke.
    However, I am curious as to what the problem is. I use html in all my
regular mail as do almost all my friends and business associates. I send and
receive dozens of times a day and have never had anyone comment on it before.
It is just natural in the circles I work in. Therefore, I am curious as to the
nature of your problem with it. Is there some reason I should not be using it
on the Usenet? I post fairly often in various forums and have not had anyone
mention it before. If there is a reason I shouldn't, please let me know what
it is.
    Thanks,

    Rick W.



> >    Dave,
> >                While I certainly agree with you in principle, I think
> >                the
> >'reviewers' true character was shown in his original writings, not his
> >apology.

> At least we can at this stage not accuse him of posting on usenet in html.

> Please, turn off your html. It is completely unneccesary.

> Z.

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Uncle Feste

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Uncle Feste » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:10:28


>     Zonky,
>                 Please consider this a friendly and inquisitive post. I was
> not annoyed or offened by your rebuke.
>     However, I am curious as to what the problem is. I use html in all my
> regular mail as do almost all my friends and business associates. I send and
> receive dozens of times a day and have never had anyone comment on it before.
> It is just natural in the circles I work in. Therefore, I am curious as to the
> nature of your problem with it. Is there some reason I should not be using it
> on the Usenet? I post fairly often in various forums and have not had anyone
> mention it before. If there is a reason I shouldn't, please let me know what
> it is.

Hi Rick

I'm not Zonky, but maybe I can help you out.  Down below I've cut &
pasted your post the way it looks to folks who don't use HTML enabled
news readers.  I think the reasons for his remarks will be glaringly
obvious.  :-)  Let's see if you'd like to read 100+ posts a day that
read like this....

--------------E1F2D4807F15CF959B746036
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dave,</b>
<br><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
While I certainly agree with you in principle, I think the 'reviewers'
true character was shown in his original writings, not his apology.
Those
opinions and statements were written of his own free will and under no
duress. He said what was in his mind and in doing so revealed it as it
is. On the otherhand, his apology came only after Game-Guru.net pulled
the review and no doubt pressured him to make amends to prevent further
tarnishing of their name, not his. While his apology may well be
sincere,
the circumstances it was issued under must cast some doubt on that.</b>
<br><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; However, I applaud Game-Guru.net for their
swift
and very appropriate action in this matter.</b><b></b>
<p><b>Rick West</b>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>>This is from a Game-Guru.net page called Nascar
Racing 4 review
<br>>appology:
<p>At least he had the character to step up to the plate and issue an
apology.
<br>A lot of people wouldn't even do that.&nbsp; Like those that fired
off ***,
<br>offensive emails to him about it.&nbsp; Want to send off an email
voicing
your
<br>displeasure about his review, fine, knock yourself out.&nbsp; Do it
with some class
<br>and a little forethought and he mind just decide that us NA$CAR
fan(atic)s
<br>aren't such bad people after all.
<p>Dave Casey
<br>Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
<br>www.teamcasey.net
<br>www.lvkc.com
<br>www.buycoolcrap.com</blockquote>
</html>

--------------E1F2D4807F15CF959B746036--

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Fester

Ashley McConnel

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Ashley McConnel » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:23:47

Rick

It is generally considered bad netiquette to use HTML in newsgroups,  Not
all newsreaders can read it and it is also alot bigger than text so if you
are downloading alot it will take a LONG time.  I personally dont have a
problem with it, but I can see the point

Ash


|     Zonky,
|                 Please consider this a friendly and inquisitive post. I
was
| not annoyed or offened by your rebuke.
|     However, I am curious as to what the problem is. I use html in all my
| regular mail as do almost all my friends and business associates. I send
and
| receive dozens of times a day and have never had anyone comment on it
before.
| It is just natural in the circles I work in. Therefore, I am curious as to
the
| nature of your problem with it. Is there some reason I should not be using
it
| on the Usenet? I post fairly often in various forums and have not had
anyone
| mention it before. If there is a reason I shouldn't, please let me know
what
| it is.
|     Thanks,
|
|     Rick W.
|
|

| >
| > >    Dave,
| > >                While I certainly agree with you in principle, I think
| > >                the
| > >'reviewers' true character was shown in his original writings, not his
| > >apology.
| >
| > At least we can at this stage not accuse him of posting on usenet in
html.
| >
| > Please, turn off your html. It is completely unneccesary.
| >
| > Z.
| >
| > --
| > Please remove my_pants when replying by email.
|

Rick Wes

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Rick Wes » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:29:44

    Seven years online and I never realized. Ever get that sort of sheepish feeling?  Fortunately, I
have not always used html on Usenet posts. Only from work where html is the e-mail standard and I
don't post on the Usenet from work often. Thank you Uncle Fester! That's worth a good Daytona set-up
if you want it.  :]

Rick W.

Rick Wes

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Rick Wes » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:05:46

    Seven years online and I never realized. Ever get that sheepish feeling?? My
thanks to Uncle Fester! And Ashley, your correct. If it has a negative effect on
some peoples readers, it should not be used. Also, thanks to Zonky for bringing
it to my attention.

Rick W.

Jan Verschuere

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:08:18

As pennance for posting html in here I sentence you to posting that setup on
alt.binaries.simulators.autos.

Judge Jan. ;-))
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Michael Barlo

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Michael Barlo » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:23:46

    I never used a reader that didn't read HTML mail so I'm just curious..
What is the benefit of not using one? Or, Why would someone not use one?  I
can see those using the old phone modems having a problem with file size
downloads, so out side of that why?


>    Seven years online and I never realized. Ever get that sort of sheepish

feeling?  Fortunately, I
e-mail standard and I
worth a good Daytona set-up
John Bod

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by John Bod » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:38:23

I haven't bothered to read the review yet (it sounds like the jerk
doesn't deserve my visit to add to his site stats), but to be fair,
from a driving model perspective, both Deth Karz and Powerslide were
pretty darn good arcade titles (FAR better than the likes of Test
Drive 6, for example).  

Still, just based on the comments here, it sounds like the guy's not
only a Kindergarten drop-out, but also a slack-jawed mouth-breather.

Based on what I've heard here, we'd all be better off if we DIDN'T
grace the game-guru site with our presence.  

-- JB

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:38:04 GMT, "Roy Berube"


>Notice how at the end he recommends Deth Karz and Powerslide as real racing
>games. Where do they find these Kindergarten drop-outs.

>Roy Berube



>> Check this review of Nascar 4 out guys.  Let the site admins know what
>> you think too.

>> http://www.game-guru.net/reviews/nascar4/index.htm

>> Geoff

Disgruntled Go

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Disgruntled Go » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:12





>>Sheesh, why is that guy reviewing anything. Looks more like something
>>you'd see in a newsgroup post, not a review. I hope he doesn't actually
>>get paid for that.

>Is it not a perfectly valid view for those looking for an arcade style
>racer?

No. For that to be the case he would have needed to say something
like:

'This game is for the person who wants to simulate nascar racing, it
is NOT for those of us who enjoy a quick belt arond a fictional track
in a car that doesn't bear much resemblance to it's real life
counterpart - if there is a real life counterpart".

Instead he came out and bashed NASCAR, its fans, its drivers, the game
and the company which produced the game, simply because he doesn't
like NASCAR.

I have to say, if they give NASCAR haters NASCAR games to review - I
would not trust that site for purchasing advice, ever. He likes arcade
racers, "real driving games" he calls them... okayyyyy... so he should
be given arcade games to review. Get a simmer to review the sims,
someone who understands why driving with the keyboard is not something
you'd expect. It's all about objectivity.

And BTW, the guys reviewing style indicates he's ***at that anyway.
Criticism is more than just saying "This sux, d00d, go play Quake".

DG

Uncle Feste

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Uncle Feste » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:18:05


>     I never used a reader that didn't read HTML mail so I'm just curious..
> What is the benefit of not using one? Or, Why would someone not use one?  I
> can see those using the old phone modems having a problem with file size
> downloads, so out side of that why?

Well Mike, I can't speak for the Windows side of things but I can offer
some insight as to why those with alternative OS'es choose other types
of newsreaders.  Zonky has cleansed his OS from his header, but I see
he's using Xnews so I assume he's using a non-Windows OS as well.  Those
running Linux & FreeBSD can vouch for the bugginess that is Netscape.
IE not only is unavailable in those circles, one would almost be
considered a heretic to run it if they could.  Most decent newsreaders
like Pan & tin don't support the use of HTML.  The reason they don't is
that usenet evolved originally under UNIX which composed the standards
of text-only & being UNIX newsreaders it complies with these standards.
Why add support for something thats not supposed to be there?

That's my story & I'm sticking to it.  ;-p

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Fester

Eldre

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Eldre » Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:05:47



>Don we were smoking stem and*** behind the 7-11 listening to the
>M&M's sing... remember?

The M&M's?  Never heard of them...

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
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Zonk

Review of Nascar 4 - Insult to Dale Sr. and NASCAR in general.

by Zonk » Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:04:19



Take a look at the example difference between html and plain text
http://www.houghi.org/

The same message takes up about 25 times the space in html. If everyone
suddenly switched to html, usenet diskspace requriements is going to go
through the roof. Article hold times are going to plummet, or the costs to
users will spiral.

Z.

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