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///M5Bria

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by ///M5Bria » Fri, 17 May 2002 10:43:53

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Rafe McAuliff

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by Rafe McAuliff » Fri, 17 May 2002 18:09:00

LOL, interesting protest :)

Rafe Mc



Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Fri, 17 May 2002 22:23:10


> http://www.theregus.com/content/6/24934.html

:-D  Bravo!

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Fester

"The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
  they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
  it."     -- Stirling Moss

Nick

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by Nick » Sat, 18 May 2002 02:09:43

And you would also have been thrown out of the team, Stirling. RB just
signed a contract before this race stating explicitly that he will move over
if called upon to do so. It would not have been wise to take the win.
Ferrari would have cancelled his contract immediately (they probably have a
clause in there to do so, or they would just pay him off). Remember, Ferrari
represent RB's best chance of winning the world championship. Remember Eddie
Irvine in 99?

I seem to recall Stirling Moss getting Mike Hawthorn reinstated into a race
he had been disqualified from in 58, before MH went on to take the world
championship from SM by 1 point. Possibly the worst person to have a quote
of that effect from in your signature line...

Nick.

JM

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by JM » Sat, 18 May 2002 08:15:42


Or the best, depending upon your point of view.  The fact is that almost
everybody in the UK at least has heard of Stirling Moss, I'd guess the vast
majority don't have the first clue who Mike Hawthorn is/was. Maybe
"winning" isn't everything after all.
I'm assuming by your critisism you meant that stirling lost out by not
being determined to win at any cost.
F1 champions come and go, a legend like Stirling lives on.

Make of that, what you will :o)

cheers
John

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sat, 18 May 2002 09:12:07


>>"The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
>>  they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
>>  it."     -- Stirling Moss

> And you would also have been thrown out of the team, Stirling. RB just
> signed a contract before this race stating explicitly that he will move over
> if called upon to do so. It would not have been wise to take the win.
> Ferrari would have cancelled his contract immediately (they probably have a
> clause in there to do so, or they would just pay him off). Remember, Ferrari
> represent RB's best chance of winning the world championship. Remember Eddie
> Irvine in 99?

That's been my point all along.  Better no ride at all than help to fix
races results for anyone.  Your post comes across like a Corporate ***
as well.  ;-)

You must be management.

:-)

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Fester

"The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If
  they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff
  it."     -- Stirling Moss

BD

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by BD » Sat, 18 May 2002 09:35:14



Sometimes you gotta decide between your job or your balls.

BD

Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 18 May 2002 09:43:26



>And you would also have been thrown out of the team, Stirling. RB just
>signed a contract before this race stating explicitly that he will move over
>if called upon to do so. It would not have been wise to take the win.
>Ferrari would have cancelled his contract immediately (they probably have a
>clause in there to do so, or they would just pay him off). Remember, Ferrari
>represent RB's best chance of winning the world championship. Remember Eddie
>Irvine in 99?

Rubens doesn't have a CHANCE at a World Championship as long as Michael is
still in the #1 seat(and healthy).
It's a tough choice, for sure.  Do you take the #2 seat with an excellent team
with no chance of being #1 (and little chance at being allowed to win)for a
while?  Or do you sign with a lesser team that has little chance of winning,
but will give you the #1 seat?  I only *wish* I had that choice...<g>

Eldred
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Crai

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by Crai » Sun, 19 May 2002 02:15:40

Rafe,
Did you solve that shutdown problem??

Craig


> LOL, interesting protest :)

> Rafe Mc



> >http://www.theregus.com/content/6/24934.html

Nick

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by Nick » Sun, 19 May 2002 06:47:36


Don't get me wrong, I think Stirling Moss is a legend (and that is a title
bestowed on so very few people by myself). The very fact that nobody in the
UK knows who Mike Hawthorn is shows just how little they know about F1. I
mean, he was only the first ever British Formula One World Champion. He
retired at the end of the 58 winning season. The point was, SM says that
now, but what would he _really_ have done in that situation? I can't imagine
one of the most gentlemanly drivers turning around and saying 'balls to you'
to their boss. It's exactly the same thing with people who criticise MS for
his Australia '94 incident. They forget he was banned for 2 races, and had
another perfectly valid race win taken away from him during the season. But
what they don't think about is what it would have been like to be MS in that
second where he hit the wall. The prize is the F1 World Championship. It
might never come around again. You know your car is crippled. If you take
your arch rival off the racetrack, could you live with yourself afterwards?
The more important question is, if you don't take him off, could you live
with the fact that you were so close to winning the F1 World Championship,
and didn't make it? You might never get another chance. If your car is badly
damaged, then you have a split second to decide. Should DH have waited
behind MS until the next straight and just burnt past him? Yes, but when you
come around a corner and see the leader going slowly, you think he just made
a mistake and you have to take the opportunity to dive right in there. I
think they both screwed up - remember they had taken each other out of the
race on a couple of other occasions during the season- one of which was
blatantly DH's fault at Silverstone, the other a racing incident. People
hate MS because he was the net winner in '94. They forget that the Benetton
Ford was nowhere near the Williams, or that DH was thrown in at the deep end
after Imola. It is easy for a 'moderate' F1 fan (I am not accusing _you_ of
this, it's just a general statement) to look at the 100 yards at the end of
the Austrian GP '02 and make all these accusing claims of how F1 is like WWF
or not a sport anymore. But they don't see the wider issues.

And anyway, would you rather be as 'famous' as Stirling Moss, or as
successful as Mike Hawthorn? Be _honest_.

Rob Adam

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by Rob Adam » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:00:10

I'd rather be as rich as Michael Schumacher.

Nick

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by Nick » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:24:19


Natch :-)

--
Nick

"The overriding purpose of software is
to be useful, rather than correct."
John Carmack, id Software

Nick

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by Nick » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:24:19


Natch :-)

--
Nick

"The overriding purpose of software is
to be useful, rather than correct."
John Carmack, id Software

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:35:52

Screw fame and money... I'd like to be able to drive like them.

Jan.
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Rob Adam

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by Rob Adam » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:39:26

Given enough money (and time), you might be able to get close.

Fame, on the other hand, you can keep. I like the freedom of being a nobody.


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