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There's only one other "medium-priced" FF setup & that's the ACT Labs (ca.
$200), which users seem to love. The low-end FF junk is terrible--TM & the
like; the high-priced stuff ($400 & up) is all non-FF.
Despite the praise for the Wingman "team" here, I've never been able to
elicit a response from them, and their total unwillingness to provide a
single spare part really puts me off buying any of their stuff in the future
(I own 2 orphaned LWFF wheels, idled by nickel-and-dime dead parts).
--Steve Smith
NOt sure where the MSFF fits in there, but in the UK at least it's
hardly cheap - 100 or so - and I certainly wouldn't call it junk.
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deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan
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SB
> There's only one other "medium-priced" FF setup & that's the ACT Labs (ca.
> $200), which users seem to love. The low-end FF junk is terrible--TM & the
> like; the high-priced stuff ($400 & up) is all non-FF.
> Despite the praise for the Wingman "team" here, I've never been able to
> elicit a response from them, and their total unwillingness to provide a
> single spare part really puts me off buying any of their stuff in the future
> (I own 2 orphaned LWFF wheels, idled by nickel-and-dime dead parts).
> --Steve Smith
> > My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP wheel spiked me off the end of the
> > back straight at Monza for the last time today - it is on its way to the
> > trash dump. I have been corresponding with the Wingman Team for almost
> > a month, trying to find a solution, and they have not fixed it. I'm not
> > going to waste any time discussing that, suffice it to say that I need a
> > new wheel and it will not be a Logitech. I'm looking for a medium
> > priced force feedback wheel that has clamps that are either big enough
> > to fit around a 5 inch deep desk drawer or shallow enough to grab the
> > one inch ledge in front of it. Anybody know of such a thing?
-Larry
-Larry
> > Haq,
> > There's only one other "medium-priced" FF setup & that's the ACT
> > Labs (ca. $200), which users seem to love. The low-end FF junk is
> > terrible--TM & the like; the high-priced stuff ($400 & up) is all
> > non-FF.
> NOt sure where the MSFF fits in there, but in the UK at least it's
> hardly cheap - 100 or so - and I certainly wouldn't call it junk.
> --
> Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which
> deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan
> The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com
I find it quite refreshing in these days of "We takes yous money, you takes
yous chances".
You want bad support? Buy a SideWinder... Actually, bad support is
incorrect. NO support is more accurate.
-Larry
> -Larry
> > My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP wheel spiked me off the end of
the
> > back straight at Monza for the last time today - it is on its way to
the
> > trash dump. I have been corresponding with the Wingman Team for
almost
> > a month, trying to find a solution, and they have not fixed it. I'm
not
> > going to waste any time discussing that, suffice it to say that I
need a
> > new wheel and it will not be a Logitech. I'm looking for a medium
> > priced force feedback wheel that has clamps that are either big
enough
> > to fit around a 5 inch deep desk drawer or shallow enough to grab
the
> > one inch ledge in front of it. Anybody know of such a thing?
and the "Wingman team" guys. The former is indeed useless in
bunch has been a good and helpful source of info (and spiffy
> SB
> > There's only one other "medium-priced" FF setup & that's the ACT
Labs (ca.
> > $200), which users seem to love. The low-end FF junk is
terrible--TM & the
> > like; the high-priced stuff ($400 & up) is all non-FF.
> > Despite the praise for the Wingman "team" here, I've never been able
to
> > elicit a response from them, and their total unwillingness to
provide a
> > single spare part really puts me off buying any of their stuff in
the future
> > (I own 2 orphaned LWFF wheels, idled by nickel-and-dime dead parts).
> > --Steve Smith
> > > My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP wheel spiked me off the end
of the
> > > back straight at Monza for the last time today - it is on its way
to the
> > > trash dump. I have been corresponding with the Wingman Team for
almost
> > > a month, trying to find a solution, and they have not fixed it.
I'm not
> > > going to waste any time discussing that, suffice it to say that I
need a
> > > new wheel and it will not be a Logitech. I'm looking for a medium
> > > priced force feedback wheel that has clamps that are either big
enough
> > > to fit around a 5 inch deep desk drawer or shallow enough to grab
the
> > > one inch ledge in front of it. Anybody know of such a thing?
the "Wingman team" guys. The former is indeed useless in
bunch has been a good and helpful source of info (and spiffy
> SB
> > There's only one other "medium-priced" FF setup & that's the ACT Labs
(ca.
> > $200), which users seem to love. The low-end FF junk is terrible--TM &
the
> > like; the high-priced stuff ($400 & up) is all non-FF.
> > Despite the praise for the Wingman "team" here, I've never been able to
> > elicit a response from them, and their total unwillingness to provide a
> > single spare part really puts me off buying any of their stuff in the
future
> > (I own 2 orphaned LWFF wheels, idled by nickel-and-dime dead parts).
> > --Steve Smith
> > > My Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP wheel spiked me off the end of
the
> > > back straight at Monza for the last time today - it is on its way to
the
> > > trash dump. I have been corresponding with the Wingman Team for
almost
> > > a month, trying to find a solution, and they have not fixed it. I'm
not
> > > going to waste any time discussing that, suffice it to say that I need
a
> > > new wheel and it will not be a Logitech. I'm looking for a medium
> > > priced force feedback wheel that has clamps that are either big enough
> > > to fit around a 5 inch deep desk drawer or shallow enough to grab the
> > > one inch ledge in front of it. Anybody know of such a thing?
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don
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Sadly, I can only agree. I don't really understand why MS seem to have
given up - it's not as though they have a new wheel coming up (as far
as I know). Odd, when you consider that their control devices have
produced that rare thing - good publicity for Microsoft.
Anyone out there listenign from MS? You update the software; my next
wheel will be another MSFF (my third). You don't; it won't. Simple as
that.
--
Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which
deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan
The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com
> > The MSFFW is a really wonderful piece of hardware. Unfortunately,
> > the software is years behind and I'm not even convinced there _is_
> > a SideWinder development team any longer. If there is, they aren't
> > coding SideWinder updates.
> Sadly, I can only agree. I don't really understand why MS seem to have
> given up - it's not as though they have a new wheel coming up (as far
> as I know). Odd, when you consider that their control devices have
> produced that rare thing - good publicity for Microsoft.
> Anyone out there listenign from MS? You update the software; my next
> wheel will be another MSFF (my third). You don't; it won't. Simple as
> that.
> --
> Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by
which
> deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan
> The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com
The gameport version will never work with 2K/XP.
It's ugly, messy stuff.
-Larry
> > > The MSFFW is a really wonderful piece of hardware. Unfortunately,
> > > the software is years behind and I'm not even convinced there _is_
> > > a SideWinder development team any longer. If there is, they aren't
> > > coding SideWinder updates.
> > Sadly, I can only agree. I don't really understand why MS seem to have
> > given up - it's not as though they have a new wheel coming up (as far
> > as I know). Odd, when you consider that their control devices have
> > produced that rare thing - good publicity for Microsoft.
> > Anyone out there listenign from MS? You update the software; my next
> > wheel will be another MSFF (my third). You don't; it won't. Simple as
> > that.
> > --
> > Sceptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by
> which
> > deep insights can be winnowed from deep nonsense -- Carl Sagan
> > The GPL Scrapyard returns (slowly): http://www.racesimcentral.net/