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by **Eldre** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>You done that?...Why!?

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>> > > There is still one problem - no saving in the race.
>> > > I usually drive hotlaps only, do no racing, because
>> > > its impossible for me to drive an hour without making
>> > > some accidents.

>> Hehe.
>> Try running a F3 race sometime at GP distance....2 1/2 hours <G>

>> Mar

Why not? Have you NEVER done a full race in a sim? I've done it in every sim
I've had(ICR1&2, NCR1&2, etc). I've even done a 5 hour race in SCGT(with the
AI driving about half). It's a CHALLENGE...<g>

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by **Steve Blankenshi** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> No, I want a mid-race save feature for singleplayer, like it was
> in GP1 and GP2. It will add SO MUCH to GPL for me.

A big problem with mid-race saves is that it opens the door to
corner-by-corner hotlaps that are unachievable in real time. Nail a turn,
save, nail the next, and so on. Over and over till you have a "perfect"
lap, even though you could never do that lap by continuous driving. GP2 was
notorious for this. As for races against the AI, you approach the event
differently if you know you'll suffer the full consequences of stuffing it
into the sh***y on lap 65 of a 70 lap race than if you have a
conveniently saved 40 or 50 lap portion. By having more to lose, the
tension is all the greater, as is the reward when you don't flub it!
Sometimes convenience can be a bad thing.....

Cheers,

Steve B.

by **George M. Smile** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

And then there are the times GPL crashes in the middle of
a GP race for whatever reasons. That type of tension I
can do without, unfortunately I tend to treat my computers
like Jack Brabham treated his GP cars so it tends to happen
more often than I like.

A nice 'meet me halfway' solution would be the ability to save
a race up to the previously completed lap. That way those
of us with legitimate reasons for wanting to save a race can
do so without the spectre of corner-by-corner hotlaps
clouding up the waters.

- George

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

True enough, and a good thought. But perhaps you should look at your
computer as a "mechanical" extension of your "virtual" car. After all, how
many times have you seen F1 drivers retire with mysterious "electricals"?
Heck, I even lost a race once because the cable fell out of my monitor! No
one could figure out why I was just sitting there, dead in the track. You
should've heard me cursing! Just like the real thing, except I didn't throw
my gloves down and go off for a cry.....

Cheers,

Steve B.

by **George M. Smile** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> True enough, and a good thought. But perhaps you should
> look at your computer as a "mechanical" extension of your
> "virtual" car. After all, how many times have you seen F1
> drivers retire with mysterious "electricals"?

In 1967? Not sure, but I would wager a guess that the
number was far smaller than it is today. One also needs
to realize that a non-trivial amount of so-called electrical
failures today are nothing more intentionally misdiagnosed
badged component failures.

- George

by **Marko Viitane** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

No, only thing you'll see is driver wear....that's why you need a new
strategy, You could take it a bit easy in start, "save yourself" and push
hard in the end or you can try pushing hard all the way, but that _is_ hard
in the end. When running GPLength races, you must thing a lot of other
things than just pure speed, for example like "I gotta have a good
chair/seat" and the fact that the car is amazingly heavy in the first laps
and you have to know new brakingpoints. Also GPLength races prevent T1
crashes a lot, because no one wants to end their race at lap 1. In normal
VROC sprintraces you'll miss completely few qualities of drivers. The skill
to concentrate full 2 hours and do a solid constant job without a single
error is something much more difficult than to just be damn fast for 5-15
laps. Also it's more clean in GP races, because
people _fear_ that they get crashed in that long run and never make the
actual distance.

Realism of GPL is twice as better when you do it in realtime and real
distance. After you've done full GPLength, all you can do is wonder: "How in
the earth they did it back in 67' with all the G-forces...", it's just
amazing...

by **Remco Moe** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>> True enough, and a good thought. But perhaps you should
>> look at your computer as a "mechanical" extension of your
>> "virtual" car. After all, how many times have you seen F1
>> drivers retire with mysterious "electricals"?

>In 1967? Not sure, but I would wager a guess that the
>number was far smaller than it is today. One also needs
>to realize that a non-trivial amount of so-called electrical
>failures today are nothing more intentionally misdiagnosed
>badged component failures.

Actually, after I read the racereports of the 1967 F1 races, I was
surprised by the huge amount of cars who didn't reach the end of the
race.

Remco

by **George M. Smile** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Gearge, the number of retirements due to mechanical/electrical
> etc. defects was quite high back in the 1960's.

I was referring to failures strictly related to electrical components,
not general retirements.

- George (who is this Gearge, a Scot perhaps?)

by **David Er** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Considering that a lot of those cars were running Lucas (Prince of Darkness)
electrics it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were electrical defects.
Lucas quality in the '60's was the stuff of infamous legends :)

David (former owner of '62 Austin Mini, 64? Triumph TR4A, and still owner of
'68 Triumph Bonneville, all of which needed lots of electrical TLC)

> > Gearge, the number of retirements due to mechanical/electrical
> > etc. defects was quite high back in the 1960's.

> I was referring to failures strictly related to electrical components,
> not general retirements.

> - George (who is this Gearge, a Scot perhaps?)

by **don hodgdo** » Wed, 06 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Which brings up the old joke...Why do the British drink warm beer? Because
they have Lucas refrigerators!

don - first car, a red 1961 MGA purchased off a lot in Santa Barbara CA for
$300.00.

[|]-(_)-[|]

>Considering that a lot of those cars were running Lucas (Prince of
Darkness)
>electrics it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were electrical defects.
>Lucas quality in the '60's was the stuff of infamous legends :)

>David (former owner of '62 Austin Mini, 64? Triumph TR4A, and still owner
of
>'68 Triumph Bonneville, all of which needed lots of electrical TLC)

>> > Gearge, the number of retirements due to mechanical/electrical
>> > etc. defects was quite high back in the 1960's.

>> I was referring to failures strictly related to electrical components,
>> not general retirements.

>> - George (who is this Gearge, a Scot perhaps?)

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

....or even save only if in the pits. It allows for a save but one would
have to suffer slight consequences for so doing.

> > By having more to lose, the tension is all the greater, as
> > is the reward when you don't flub it! Sometimes
> > convenience can be a bad thing.....

> And then there are the times GPL crashes in the middle of
> a GP race for whatever reasons. That type of tension I
> can do without, unfortunately I tend to treat my computers
> like Jack Brabham treated his GP cars so it tends to happen
> more often than I like.

> A nice 'meet me halfway' solution would be the ability to save
> a race up to the previously completed lap. That way those
> of us with legitimate reasons for wanting to save a race can
> do so without the spectre of corner-by-corner hotlaps
> clouding up the waters.

> - George

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

No...it's not modelled.

> I'm sure it's been asked, but could you tell me, after a full length race
do you
> finally see tire wear in GPL?

> Zog

> > > You done that?...Why!?

> > > > Try running a F3 race sometime at GP distance....2 1/2 hours <G>

> > Because we are simrace'holics, and GPL is our meeting place ;-)

> > Actually it's quite fun, you need to find a new approach to your race
> > strategy. It's more surviving but yet it's challenging, not as easy as
you
> > think it is to keep your concentration for all those laps. After a
600miler
> > at C***te on the NROS, your ***was numb for a full hour :)

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...

> > "People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Gearge, the number of retirements due to mechanical/electrical etc. defects
was quite high back in the 1960's.

Have a read of any of the contemporary race reports for that time and you'll
get an idea of the attrition rate.

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by **Michael Horto** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Guess I could do that Bruce. But what if I had a wife (which I do) that
complained about the powerbill (which she does) and blamed it on my computer
(which she does <G>). I'm not siding with the original poster at all here.
I've never tried running a full GP as I know that I'd never be able to
finish it and even if there was a save race feature I most likely wouldn't
use it as I find that from one day to the next my racing me change depending
on the day I had.
One thing I've never tried is the old <ALT><TAB>. Does that work in GPL? I
know it does in N3 because I did it by accident the other night <G>

--
Thanks
Michael Horton
Webmaster of
http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/
Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps

and

http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/html/
HTML for Begineers

> Turn the monitor off.

> > hehe Mike..
> > Even though they've made great strides in technology I still don't think
> > it's particularily good for an unmoving pic to be left on your monitor
for
> a
> > day or two.<G>

> > --
> > Thanks
> > Michael Horton
> > Webmaster of
> > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl/
> > Home of the F2/F3 Hotlaps

> > and

> > http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/html/
> > HTML for Begineers

> > > > Michael Barlow schrieb in Nachricht

> > > > >> That has been a topic since the release of the demo. Most of us
> would
> > > > like to
> > > > >> be able to save a game and answer the phone or whatever but it
> won't
> > be
> > > > an
> > > > >> option soon.

> > > > > If you had quoted the post, I would know what he was talking
about.
> > > > >What I gather from your post is the ability to pause GPL in mid
> > > > >stream.. Use the pause key! On my keyboard it's the Pause/break
key
> > > > >right next to the Scroll lock key and the Print screen key. I've
run
> a
> > > > >couple off line races and paused to answer a knock at the door.
> > > > >--
> > > > No, I want a mid-race save feature for singleplayer, like it was
> > > > in GP1 and GP2. It will add SO MUCH to GPL for me.

> > > > Jochen

> > > Mid race save is there! press the pause/break button
> > > --
> > > =========================================
> > > Mike Barlow of Barlow Racing?
> > > =========================================
> > > http://members.xoom.com/BarlowRacing/

> > > Racing online with the help of......

> > > Race Communications Association
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 07 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Oh...sorry.
And my apologies for the "Gearge"...........the "o" isn't anywhere near the
"a" so that was just a total stuff-up!! :o)

> > Gearge, the number of retirements due to mechanical/electrical
> > etc. defects was quite high back in the 1960's.

> I was referring to failures strictly related to electrical components,
> not general retirements.

> - George (who is this Gearge, a Scot perhaps?)

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