rec.autos.simulators

Gee!!
           With all the programmers that Sierra/Papy has plus having
the source code, you would think that their would be an effort to
SUPPORTall the CUSTOMERS who have purchased NASCAR2.
 A patch could be written in under a week addressing all of the bugs
listed to date. And I don't buy the stall that they want to take their
time to address all the problems before they put out a patch.
     That is called a stall, guys. WAKE UP!!!!
One example is the Atlanta pit bug which in effect made that track
(one of my favorites) too frustrating to run.
   So I looked into the text file, got lucky, and fixed the problem in
a short time. The fix is now in the US PITS.
     Such a major***up could have been fixed and posted by
PAPY/SIERRA in  1 day  without a problem. They're the experts
at this software not me.
   I know I'm going to get blasted for this but someone has to ask
WHEN and PAPY/SIERRA owes us their customers an answer.
       I will add, so no one gets the wrong idea ( yeah right!) I love
NASCAR2 . and do not regret purchasing it or any other PAPY sims,
however the fact remains, we are getting our fixes and utilities from
users who care enough to share. Thats great but where is the support
from the guys who got our money?????
       Im going to the bomb shelter now  waiting for my PAPY bomb run.
Im taking my computer and running Taladega pretending it's DATONA!!!!

Please have the patience to wait until Papy get all the bug reports
together and prioritise whatever the patch will address.  For God's sake,
don't push them into a corner over a patch.....there was enough pressure
from us prior to the initial N2 release.
Rest assured in the fact that a patch WILL eventuate....unlike a
much-needed overhaul of another racing simulation I won't mention.
--

BruceK
VR #31, Pro. Division
VRE Site is http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/vegemiteracing/index.htm

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: One example is the Atlanta pit bug which in effect made that track
: (one of my favorites) too frustrating to run.
:    So I looked into the text file, got lucky, and fixed the problem in
: a short time. The fix is now in the US PITS.

The fix is not really a fix.  This fix is just a work around.  There is
code to accept the data put in the text file and modify the way the AI
and pit car handle the braking and distance going into the pits.  The
data supplied us by Papyrus was incorrect.  

I also assume that the Papyrus gang really want to give us a "well
constructed" save game feature.  One that will work better than previous
Papyrus efforts.  Now if this was as easy as you believe it is to do, we
would have had it in the game when it was first released.

Also, once Papyrus is done with it, Sierra will take it and construct
their own "patch" routine.  This then needs to be tested by the Sierra
folks, and I would say they are very slow at this based on the time
frame of the ICR2 final patch.  The Papyrus gang was finished with the
patch weeks before Sierra would release it.

Some of the other fixes needed can't be that easy to code either or else
they would have been in the game when it was released.  Issues dealing
with the size of the Active driver list, multi-player issues, etc.

I would also assume that they are attempting to polish the Rendition
coding (and hopefully smooth out a couple of the trouble-some frame rate
tracks).

As a programmer I know that once code has reached the state of "almost"
perfect, minor changes have a way of toppling portions of code once
thought stable.  Programming is not a science, it's an art.  Let's give
the Papyrus artists some time produce a piece of fine art, not just a
piece of hack.

There is alot more going on in the art studios of Papyrus than you can
imagine on perfecting this gem we call Nascar Racing 2.

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**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Why are you complexed about a patch?

        Papyrus/Sierra is doing a great job by doing overtime on a patch.  Look
at Microprose.  Maybe when G Crammond will get out of his mansion in
Hawaii he will MAYBE work on a patch.  But the papy guys are working
full time to make us, the SimRacer's, HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!HAPPY!  Papyrus
is in the top 3 best compagnies for customers service.  Do you see any
other person like Jim Sokoloff or Adam Levesque who is devoting time to
respond to people here in r.a.s.?????  Do you see GCrammond here?(even
if he would be flamed a lot!!)  Also, I hope you will not die waiting
for a patch.  I hope.  Just play the game and practice being better on
tracks.  Just wait.  People doing utilities like The Pits or anybody
else are helping Papyrus because they can spend more time repairing
other bugs.  If some person are chariting with you, accept them!.  I
would wait 6 months to see a patch and I would be frustrated. good race
at the Brickyard,

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