rec.autos.simulators

by **TDRaci** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:13:13

lol really? I would love to hear you explain where something concrete has
come from the WB. I don't care if you don't, but I also understand why. It
really doesn't matter to me because there is enough good sims out right now
that are way better than they were when I first started sim racing 13 years
ago. They seem to be ambitious on jumping 10 years in time to release
something now, but to date they haven't released anything but paper, or
vaporware in internet terms.

Keep beliving the gospel of WB if it makes you feel better. Most of us here
have been there done that where it comes to *** people promising us the
world.

--

Tim Doyle
TDRacin? Online
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com

> > Just the way they released all this pretty artowrk for WSC, and for two
> > years there was nothing more than press releases hyping up this
> > revolutionary sim that was going to be the end all be all of driving
> > simulations. Then, they supposedly sell it off to corporate and that
that
> > engine isn't going to be used for an upcoming release by that company.

> > Now they are going to start from scratch and develop the same type of
sim
> > with a different engine? That would be quite the achievement,
especially
> > given their track record of releasing absolutely nothing to date. And
> their
> > supposed business model of releasing an Alpha beta copy for capital to ,
> > well, actually I don't know why since they didn't need any money for
WSC.
> > None of their excuses make any sense. To date they are all talk and no
> > walk, yet people seem to believe the gospel of the West Brothers.

> > Just my opinions from what I have followed with the West Brothers.

> A rather mal-founded opinion as many of your facts are very wrong.

> I'm not going to waste my time explaining them. I'm sick of redTed and
> others negative attitudes

> DOug

by **redTe** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:47:22

He can't explain a thing, because he knows sod all. He's just so wrapped up in this whole
saga, he can't admit that he may be wrong.
I can. So can others. It wouldn't hurt one bit to be wrong about RL, it still wouldn't
change the fact that only the wealthier members of this community would be able to afford
it. Or should I say, those with a healthier disposable income situation..At the moment,
that rules me a out unfortunately.

by **Remco Moe** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:35

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:47:22 +0100, "redTed"

>I can. So can others. It wouldn't hurt one bit to be wrong about RL, it still wouldn't
>change the fact that only the wealthier members of this community would be able to afford
>it. Or should I say, those with a healthier disposable income situation..At the moment,
>that rules me a out unfortunately.

Uhm.....fact?....

AFAIK the only priceindication was based on: What will it cost if
you'll sell x copies of RL?

IMO both sides (extreme pro- and anti- RL) are making a fool of
themself.

Remco

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:26:58

No, but they want to profile themselves as sim developers with this title,
right?

Geoff Crammond wasn't a racing sim developer before Revs, Papyrus weren't
before Indy500. Heck, I don't remember a racing game from anyone involved
with Peter Molyneux or Lionhead Studios either!!

Am I missing something here?

Jan.
=---

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:26:58

Put a sock in it, lurker.

Jan. ;-)
=---

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:26:58

I haven't a clue about the situation with Empire, but to me there were
enough indications over time to concluded WSC has actually existed in some
shape or form. That you didn't get to buy a copy, doesn't mean it was never.

I developed a remote control unit with timer function for operating sun
blinds... when push came to shove, the company who invested in the idea
didn't want to take it into production, so you can't buy one (not this
particular one, anyway). This doesn't mean there isn't a working prototype
in my workshop (and I still have IPR on the software).

Well, I assume the "difference" between the engines is of a legal technical
nature, along with some stuff they "would have done differently if they'd
started over".

I think the Wests' back catalogue is listed somewhere in this group. They
haven't done a racing sim before though.

Funding from Empire Interactive? A loan? Sold some posessions? -Who knows
and none of our business, IMO.

Put it this way, suppose you put your efforts in something, self funding it
all the way and in the end, through no fault of your own, there was no
product, no return on your time/effort investment. Wouldn't you want to get
payed as you went along next time around?

As for the validity of a payed beta/demo, this is standard practise in
CAD/CAE circles.

Excuses? -What do they need to apologize for?

I have my doubts. I'm just polite enough not to smear them across the net
until they're substantiated. At this point I stand to lose nothing and might
see a substantial improvement in the subject of my hobby.

Hmmm... strange how people take away different conclusions from the same
source material, isn't it.

Jan.
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by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:30:29

Scratch that... Bullfrog made High Octane, didn't they? (WipEout style game,
with guns)

Jan.
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by **rrevve** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:39:35

>"rrevved" wrote...
>> > <snip>
>> I haven't seen any sim they've developed.
>> Have you?

>No, but they want to profile themselves as sim developers with this title,
>right?

>Geoff Crammond wasn't a racing sim developer before Revs, Papyrus weren't
>before Indy500. Heck, I don't remember a racing game from anyone involved
>with Peter Molyneux or Lionhead Studios either!!

>Am I missing something here?

ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE

My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released
but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's,
512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc.

It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER
developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be
individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest
loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske,
Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era
LeMans participants.

BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around
here someplace. I'll post them later.

Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely
important to my development process!!

Maybe someone could set up a web forum ..

:)

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:52:58

Ok, I'll keep an eye out for it. Suggest you get a website though, as you
can't post binaries in here.

Jan.
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by **Andrew MacPhers** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:22:00

> IMO both sides (extreme pro- and anti- RL) are making a fool of
> themself.

Exactly. There's no product to discuss, so what's the point? But then the
same could be said of DP and FM but that doesn't seem to stop them ;o)

Andrew McP

by **ymenar** » Fri, 23 Aug 2002 05:23:43

> ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE

> My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released
> but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's,
> 512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc.

> It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER
> developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be
> individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest
> loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske,
> Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era
> LeMans participants.

> BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around
> here someplace. I'll post them later.

> Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely
> important to my development process!!

> Maybe someone could set up a web forum ..

But will be released in cool leather wallets to insert your E-card CD-Rom's?

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Larr** » Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:06:22

That would be Sister Mary David, not Lou...

-Larry

> Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a concrete thing, not
> something you heard from Bob who Larry heard it from his sister Mary Lou.

> Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this whole WB deal (ala
> WSC).

> --

> Tim Doyle
> TDRacin? Online
> VRW Team Owner
> www.VirtualRacingWorld.com

> > "TDRacin" wrote...
> > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning?

> > The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50
> > pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably",
> IIRC)
> > at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet
> > unconformed.

> > So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both
sides
> of
> > the argument. It's not pretty.

> > Jan.
> > =---

by **Kxlsyd** » Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:11:51

oh, sorry. <g>

--

Tim Doyle
TDRacin? Online
VRW Team Owner
www.VirtualRacingWorld.com

> That would be Sister Mary David, not Lou...

> -Larry

> > Oh, the way you were talking, it sounded like it was a concrete thing,
not
> > something you heard from Bob who Larry heard it from his sister Mary
Lou.

> > Just remember, don't get played for a sucker in this whole WB deal (ala
> > WSC).

> > --

> > Tim Doyle
> > TDRacin? Online
> > VRW Team Owner
> > www.VirtualRacingWorld.com

> > > "TDRacin" wrote...
> > > > lol Jan, where is this RL beta you keep mentioning?

> > > The Wests are still working on the public beta. What's more, the $50
> > > pricetag is something which was floated (it was stated as "probably",
> > IIRC)
> > > at the Goodwood meeting and, to the best of my knowledge, as yet
> > > unconformed.

> > > So you see the kind of emotion this prospective title stirs on both
> sides
> > of
> > > the argument. It's not pretty.

> > > Jan.
> > > =---

by J » Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:17:21

The spec sounds good,...

But I doubt that it will be like GPL

JensSchumi

>ANNOUNCEMENT / PRESS RELEASE

>My new 1970's historical sim ( rrevved's LeMans) will be released
>but ONLY -when it's ready-. It will feature 904's, 908's, 917's,
>512's, P3's, P4's etc., etc.

>It will have the most fantastic physics modeling EVER
>developed. *Every* component of the suspension, etc., will be
>individually modeled and the accuracy of even the slightest
>loading and deflection will be tested, and certified by Penske,
>Ferrari S.A., Porsche, Matra and all other major 1970's era
>LeMans participants.

>BTW, I have a couple of -very- preliminary renders around
>here someplace. I'll post them later.

>Let's all discuss my upcoming sim. Your feedback is extremely
>important to my development process!!

>Maybe someone could set up a web forum ..

> :)

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