rec.autos.simulators

Pioneer maybe ;)

For that I suspect any accurate representation of a pot hole and curb
will do, it doesn't have to be the exact pot hole and curb of a specfic
track.  Unless of course you also have the exact physics of every car
that races there along with the setup notes from every engineer
suspension specialist etc..

Don't get me wrong it's neat, but at somewhere here there's a point of
dimishing returns if your market is amatuer sim racers on sub$500
wheel/pedals and 21" 2D monitors.

Although I'm guessing iracing is going after a differnet market. ;)

        Well, only for you not to stay unanswered, I will not get you wrong
(but thanks for taking care, : )), and I agree with everything.
        But, a "simulation" is about reality. This really gives a sense of
reality. Although I don't have enough time to practice and practice, I do
have enough time to take a ride, and "feel" what it is like to be there.
Plus, I really do think that this is the way to go. You can almost ride with
the proffesional drivers in the same time.
        Long ago I had a proposition for somebody to make really accurate
tracks. Then you can hook a transmiter on real cars, which would transmit
the position and attitude of cars. You can feed those signals over the
Internet, and that way you can watch live feed on your computer. Whether
this is some minor league race, whether you are on the opposite side of the
World, you can sit in front of your computer, pick a car you want to be in,
and watch that race through the eyes of live racer. Then you can change to
another car. All this you can save, and watch replays how many times you
want, from whatever position you want. You can add all the telemetry, so
that you can get a sense what happens to the car. -- Mario

    Man put himself on the moon about 4 decades ago! How hard can it be to
get track owners/officials to get their track digitally mapped and then sell
it on to developers. Once it's done it's done. Keeping it up to date when
changes are made to track geometry wouldn't be too difficult either.

    The ultimate goal of a sim company should be to get to the point where
you go to a track with their gear and at the end of the day you have your
track including all surrounding buildings, etc. Ths software/hardware used
is literally creating your track as you scan! Every point in space is mapped
with a 3D co-ordinate and associated colour!

    Easy in theory! :)

        Much easier than hireing 300 Russians. And probably cheaper, too.
 -- Mario

If you extrapolate what that approach means to the rest of the simracing
experience, quite a number of interesting possibililies come to mind... ;-)

SB

Dave has his own warped version of reality from which he bases his view of
the world.  If you dont live in his hollyweirded, peta screaming, tinfoiled,
roof-riding world youre just an "idiot" :)

Mitch

The track accuracy is one aspect but not necessarily the be all and end
all, as you rightly remind us.

Cheers
Tony

No they'll do that with the retail price ;)

The FAQ leaves a lot to the imagination regarding these issues at this
point. I understand it's too early to lock these things down and will
simply wait until they are finalized before worrying about it....
Maybe it will be like the MMP online model of Aces High with thousands
of subscribers at $14.95 per month using their dedicated
servers...hmmm, wasn't Papyrus set up that way at one time?
;-)

GP