rec.autos.simulators

by **Alan Bernard** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:18:00

Yes, I understand. But maybe it's because he didn't get to beta test the PC
version and did get to beta test the PS2 version that he likes one and so
vehemently scathes the other.

Alanb

> Just in case you didn't get my point.

> Fluffpony's comments were being criticized as being from someone who has
> something against EA.

> Example:
> "Somehow I feel that you have been short shrifted and because of that you
> are
> firing back with these rather empty criticisms.

> What, were you short-changed on your last check?"

> I reminded these people that he only criticized the PC version, but he
liked
> the PS2 version a lot. Both made by EA.

> David G Fisher

> > Yes he did.

> > > He praised the PS2 version.

> > > David G Fisher

> > > > Besides the fact that I question your veracity when you say that you
> > work
> > > > for EA, you certainly have some deep-seated beef with EA. All your
> > > > criticism are extremely negative and more importantly fail to give
any
> > > > specifics. You say F1 2001 is a "VERY poor quality game", and then
> move
> > > on.
> > > > You say the AI is bad, but give no particulars. The game is of
"poor
> > > > quality", a general term made even more vague by a lack of
specifics.

> > > > Somehow I feel that you have been short shrifted and because of that
> you
> > > are
> > > > firing back with these rather empty criticisms.

> > > > What, were you short-changed on your last check?

> > > > Alanb

> > > > > okay.. Let me make this clear.. First of all, I work for EA
> > > > > Secondly, I never tested this game, I tested F1 2001 PS2

> > > > > F1 2001 for the PC, is sad to say, (well, deservingly said) a VERY
> > poor
> > > > > quality game.. to say the AI was bad, is an understatement..
> > > > > to say the game is bad overall, is an understatement

> > > > > all I can do is say, the game was rushed, the programmers didn't
do
> > too
> > > > > well with it and the amount of bugs, my honest opinion, is that
the
> > game
> > > > > should never have passed Beta stage let alone final!

> > > > > it was a game which I heard nothing but complaints from the
> tester's,
> > > > > poor quality, sound was okay but if they were on anything less
than
> a
> > > > > 1.4ghz processor it really was naff...

> > > > > now I do feel sorry for those people who bought this game, because
> > when
> > > > > I was testing the PS2 version, we had the F1 tester's begging us
to
> > play
> > > > > it, and beleive me, I wish they actually PORTED the PS2 version
> > across,
> > > > > because it's what the PC Version should have looked like, oh
well..
> > read
> > > > > the reviews of the PS2 version, okay they are slightly inaccurate,
> but
> > > > > still very very true, we had fun testing the PS2 version

> > > > > I won't get started on the problems with the PC Version, as there
> was
> > a
> > > > > lot of problems as far as I know, and the main one was graphics,
> which
> > > > > caused so many problems it wasn't funny...

> > > > > I won't slate EA, as they do make a lot of Good quality games, but
> > this
> > > > > one game was REALLY bad, I've never seen anything as bad as this
for
> > > > > years, it made me think of F1GP by Microprose... but at least that
> had
> > > > > realism :)

> > > > > All in all, don't blame the testers, they did their best, they had
> the
> > > > > damn thing long enough, in fact don't blame anyone, as we all
know,
> > > > > Computer Games making is an expensive thing to do, licensing,
> > > > > programming, production of CD's and boxes and such, marketing...
> it's
> > a
> > > > > pity they didn't take their time over F1 2001 PC, as it could have
> > been
> > > > > the best F1 game ever made...

> > > > > well that's me out the way, apologies to everyone who bought this
> game
> > > > > and forked out that much money!

> > > > > <fluffypony>

> > > > > P.S. I cannot do anything about the bugs, even report them, but
> there
> > > > > will be patches on the way (so I am told!)

by **Larr** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:35:32

F1 2002 ?

I have already bought F1 2000 and F1 2001. Until they patch F1 2001 to the
point that it is at least a half-assed quality game, EA gets NO more money
from me.

I guess I should have learned from all the Nascar Revolution titles.

Unless Papy decides to do another Open Wheel SIM (we can only hope), I fear
there will never be a modern F1 sim.

Well, I think the MGI guys could do it too, but talent doesn't matter these
days. It's the publishers and bean-counters who decide what does, and
doesn't, get written.

How the hell did that happen, anyway?

I've heard of publishers actually blocking patches!

-Larry

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:07:28 +0100, fluffypony

> >okay.. Let me make this clear.. First of all, I work for EA
> >Secondly, I never tested this game, I tested F1 2001 PS2

> And I'm going to open the debate again..
> Most of us agree F1 2001 has too much bugs and shortcomings, but
> despite of that this is the best F1 sim I have ever played.
> While waiting for F1 2002 I'll be happy to spend my time on this one.

> Andre

by **Dave Ryerso** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:53:14

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:58:01 +0200, Andre Warringa

>And I'm going to open the debate again..
>Most of us agree F1 2001 has too much bugs and shortcomings, but
>despite of that this is the best F1 sim I have ever played.
>While waiting for F1 2002 I'll be happy to spend my time on this one.

>Andre

I doubt very much fluffpony works for EA. For one thing he used the
slang term "naff", which is a Brit word meaning ***and I don't think
EA would hire any limey lieing bastage. :-)

I've read that F12001 for the PS2 looks better, but has a ***driving
model. What's more important, gameplay or graphics? Anyone who thinks
the latter can sell their PC and go buy a PS2.

by **Dave Ryerso** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:56:46

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:47:01 +0100, fluffypony

>heheehe I doubt that 2002 will be any better mate... they're not getting
>any better. they're just getting used to new technology

>do yaself a favour, buy a PS2 and get F1 2001 for a good sim :)

> <fluffypony>

You don't work for EA you limey bastage, go play your arcade game and
we will enjoy our simulation. From the F12001 FAQ at
http://www.jensonf1.com/f12001/

What is the Playstation 2 version like?
The PS2 version is obviously more of a arcade game. The handling in
simulation is similar to F1 2001 on the PC, but unfortunately the game
controls are deeply flawed as the throttle, brake and especially the
steering sensitivity is much to high and has a very large dead zone on
analogue racing wheels for the PS2 (such as the Logitech GT Force
Feedback USB wheel which also works with the PC). The controller
problem effects all analogue controllers, even the PS2 control pad!
You cannot adjust the dead zone or sensitivity in the menus
whatsoever, which spoils an otherwise great game. One positive note
about the PS2 version is that the arcade playability is still good,
the interactive pit stops feature is the best new feature in an F1
game since the wet weather effects in Grand Prix 3, and talking of
graphics, the 3D engine is in the same class as Gran Turismo 3, with
stand out effects such as the best yet wet weather graphics, brilliant
cube mapping (reflective surfaces such as the shiny chrome part of
Montoya's helmet reflecting the 3D objects around it, like trees and
advertising hoarding) and the cars themselves are stunning, not to
mention the pit babes, heat ripples in the atmosphere over the hot
track and maybe the most stunning feature: the motion captured pit
crew.

by **Dave Ryerso** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:59:43

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:46:04 +0100, fluffypony

>nah.. they won't be doing that... hehehe

> <fluffypony>

Don't underestimate EA. There was once a guy slagging Longbow2 in the
flight-sim forum. Not only did they track him down, but they mailed
him a free Longbow2 T-shirt. Expect your free F12001 T-shirt soon.

by **Dave Ryerso** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:01:49

On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:17:43 +0200, Andre Warringa

>What's the difference between the pc and ps2 version?

>Andre

From F12001 FAQ at http://www.jensonf1.com/f12001/

What is the Playstation 2 version like?
The PS2 version is obviously more of a arcade game. The handling in
simulation is similar to F1 2001 on the PC, but unfortunately the game
controls are deeply flawed as the throttle, brake and especially the
steering sensitivity is much to high and has a very large dead zone on
analogue racing wheels for the PS2 (such as the Logitech GT Force
Feedback USB wheel which also works with the PC). The controller
problem effects all analogue controllers, even the PS2 control pad!
You cannot adjust the dead zone or sensitivity in the menus
whatsoever, which spoils an otherwise great game. One positive note
about the PS2 version is that the arcade playability is still good,
the interactive pit stops feature is the best new feature in an F1
game since the wet weather effects in Grand Prix 3, and talking of
graphics, the 3D engine is in the same class as Gran Turismo 3, with
stand out effects such as the best yet wet weather graphics, brilliant
cube mapping (reflective surfaces such as the shiny chrome part of
Montoya's helmet reflecting the 3D objects around it, like trees and
advertising hoarding) and the cars themselves are stunning, not to
mention the pit babes, heat ripples in the atmosphere over the hot
track and maybe the most stunning feature: the motion captured pit
crew.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:20:39

Both distributed by EA but made by two different programming groups. Just
which team did the PS2 version. Anybody know?
dave henrie