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f12001 vs GPL

David G Fishe

f12001 vs GPL

by David G Fishe » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:43:50

Did you try some of Ian Bell's setups from simbin.com?

What are your steering sensitivity and speed sensitivity settings?

David G Fisher



Fisher"

> >Could be that your steering or car setup is making the car too twitchy.
Are
> >you having trouble at high, medium, or low speeds?

> Yes.<g>
> Actually, I hadn't paid attention to a certain speed.  If I had to guess
> without trying it again right now, it's twitchy at high speeds.  I may
have
> problems in the low speed corners because I can't judge exactly how fast
I'm
> going...

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Haqsa

f12001 vs GPL

by Haqsa » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:28:49

Well if you absolutely have to do it to save your sanity you can change
the measurement units in the display options to Imperial units, and then
you will be able to work with the units you are used to in the setup
screen.  Trouble is the display fields aren't big enough, so if your
spring rate gets too high it just shows 999 lbs/in instead of whatever
it really is.  Better to just bite the bullet and get used to the SI
units.


Haqsa

f12001 vs GPL

by Haqsa » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:35:08

It might be sound related, but I don't think it was the backfire sound
in my case.  At least some of the lock ups have occured when hitting a
wall (uh, for testing purposes of course).  Hopefully they will clean
all of this up in the next version.




> > That is an awesome mod, but unfortunately it has tons of issues (at
> > least on my PC).  I can't drive any of the cars for more than a few
> > minutes without a lockup, and in some cases (usually the 996) it
locks
> > up on the first corner.  Several of the cars have graphical errors
> > where, every few seconds, I see the car in wire frame view instead
of
> > the normal view.  I have no problems with F1 2001, just with the
mod.
> > OTOH I have not heard anyone else mention the same problems that I
have
> > had.  So I guess I will try the next version, but for now I have
given
> > up on it.

> I've had those problems.  Changing the backfire sound to a quieter one
seems
> to have solved the Turn 1 lockup problem for me (I think it actually
was
> hitting the brakes that caused it).  I have the graphical errors,
including
> a half-second green-out through the windshield just before the S/F
line at
> Spa.  With all that, it's still fun racing though.

>     -Phasor

Uwe Schuerkam

f12001 vs GPL

by Uwe Schuerkam » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:11:17




>>also, TSW2mod won't work at all in split axis mode.

> Sure it will.  It isn't JUST your TSW2mod.  It's the combination of your wheel,
> with that particular game, with your particular game port(SBLive, right?).  My
> TSW2mod works fine for F1 2001, but I have to hold down the pedals when I start
> the game, and again when I go to the track.  Jumping through hoops - yes,
> agreed.

Sorry to say, but the setup worked ok in F1CS2000
(pressing the brake pedal), so why did they *** it up in F1
2001, a product technically far superior? I've tried numerous
suggestions trying to get split axis to work, but it doesn't.

It's really a shame that papy seem to be the only shop capable
of writing a decent calibration routine. 8-(

Cheers,

uwe

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David L. Coo

f12001 vs GPL

by David L. Coo » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:57:00

Uwe -

I'm a little late to this thread, but if the problem is the brake being
backwards with split axis, Dave Thomas Jr. told me that there are just two
wires to reverse on the brake pot to fix this.  Give TE a call!

- David





> >>also, TSW2mod won't work at all in split axis mode.

> > Sure it will.  It isn't JUST your TSW2mod.  It's the combination of your
wheel,
> > with that particular game, with your particular game port(SBLive,
right?).  My
> > TSW2mod works fine for F1 2001, but I have to hold down the pedals when
I start
> > the game, and again when I go to the track.  Jumping through hoops -
yes,
> > agreed.

> Sorry to say, but the setup worked ok in F1CS2000
> (pressing the brake pedal), so why did they *** it up in F1
> 2001, a product technically far superior? I've tried numerous
> suggestions trying to get split axis to work, but it doesn't.

> It's really a shame that papy seem to be the only shop capable
> of writing a decent calibration routine. 8-(

> Cheers,

> uwe

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Eldre

f12001 vs GPL

by Eldre » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:13:13



>Did you try some of Ian Bell's setups from simbin.com?

I downloaded some, but at the time he didn't have the car I was trying to
drive(Benetton), and the track I was trying to drive(Brazil)...  I'll try
another car/track combo.

Speed sensitivity is 50%.  Couldn't fine the steering sensitivity...

Eldred
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Haqsa

f12001 vs GPL

by Haqsa » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 02:19:05

In the controller setup, you will see two little joystick icons on the
bottom of the screen.  Most likely you will want to click on the one
numbered "1", that will get you to the axis sensitivity settings.
Normally steering is on the x axis.



Fisher"

> Speed sensitivity is 50%.  Couldn't fine the steering sensitivity...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

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beats you
> with experience...
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David G Fishe

f12001 vs GPL

by David G Fishe » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 05:50:28



Fisher"

> >Did you try some of Ian Bell's setups from simbin.com?

> I downloaded some, but at the time he didn't have the car I was trying to
> drive(Benetton), and the track I was trying to drive(Brazil)...  I'll try
> another car/track combo.

You have specific needs, don't you? :-)

Hasqua tells you where to find that setting in his reply.

The x axis sensitivity setting is probably what's causing you your problems.

Try the x axis sensitivity setting at 20%, and then move the speed
sensitivity up until the car feels stable at high speed. After awhile, you
might end up wanting to raise the x axis sensitivity up a bit, and lower the
speed sensitivity. All depends on the the type of wheel you use.

Set your brake sensitivity at around 40% and throttle sensitivity at 85%.
With my Ferrari wheel, I have a lot better control of the throttle when the
throttle sensitivity is set high. When the setting is low, the throttle is
off/on which makes it hard to control the car in low speed turns and during
acceleration.

I wouldn't bother messing with your steering lock setting in the car setup.
That's something you'd do later on after you get the wheel set up
comfortably, and it's specific to each track and car.

David G Fiher

James Pickar

f12001 vs GPL

by James Pickar » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 07:28:03

Basically?

They are as good as one another.  GPL is great out of the box with patches
etc..  F1 2001 is great with the patch and probably could even be better
with the number of modifiable physics, but in the original mode the cars
handle just a little bit too easy (too much downforce for me).  I love both
of them just as much as the other.

The only advantage F1 2001 has over GPL is it is totally modifiable.  Just
look at the FIA GT mods.  JUST as good as any sim I've driven.

GPL will always be the classic sim, but there is better to come.

James


Jan Verschuere

f12001 vs GPL

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:37:58

About time too.

Jan.
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Haqsa

f12001 vs GPL

by Haqsa » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:18:56

When we last talked about this, I had only tried 100% and 50% for
throttle axis sensitivity, and between the two I thought that 50% felt
better.  However I just tried 85% and you are quite right, that does
feel a little more controllable.  Haven't tried changing the brake
sensitivity yet, but haven't really felt uncomfortable with it either.
Thanks for the tip.



Eldre

f12001 vs GPL

by Eldre » Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:15:15



>When we last talked about this, I had only tried 100% and 50% for
>throttle axis sensitivity, and between the two I thought that 50% felt
>better.  However I just tried 85% and you are quite right, that does
>feel a little more controllable.  Haven't tried changing the brake
>sensitivity yet, but haven't really felt uncomfortable with it either.
>Thanks for the tip.



>> Set your brake sensitivity at around 40% and throttle sensitivity at
>85%.
>> With my Ferrari wheel, I have a lot better control of the throttle
>when the
>> throttle sensitivity is set high. When the setting is low, the
>throttle is
>> off/on which makes it hard to control the car in low speed turns and
>during
>> acceleration.

To piggyback here: David - I tried Ian Bell's setup for Hockenheim.  Boy,
that's a twitchy car...<g>  I haven't tried changing the steering sensitivity
yet, but I'll do that if I can't get a handle on the controls.  I have problems
just stayng on the TRACK.  I wish this program could give you a list of all the
laptimes, instead of just the fast lap.  I also wish you could tell what
laptimes you did WHILE you're running.  It would be easier to say, "Hmm, that
line through the corner was faster than before..."
Did I miss *another* setting somewhere?<g>

Eldred
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David G Fishe

f12001 vs GPL

by David G Fishe » Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:44:38




> >When we last talked about this, I had only tried 100% and 50% for
> >throttle axis sensitivity, and between the two I thought that 50% felt
> >better.  However I just tried 85% and you are quite right, that does
> >feel a little more controllable.  Haven't tried changing the brake
> >sensitivity yet, but haven't really felt uncomfortable with it either.
> >Thanks for the tip.



> >> Set your brake sensitivity at around 40% and throttle sensitivity at
> >85%.
> >> With my Ferrari wheel, I have a lot better control of the throttle
> >when the
> >> throttle sensitivity is set high. When the setting is low, the
> >throttle is
> >> off/on which makes it hard to control the car in low speed turns and
> >during
> >> acceleration.

> To piggyback here: David - I tried Ian Bell's setup for Hockenheim.  Boy,
> that's a twitchy car...<g>  I haven't tried changing the steering
sensitivity
> yet, but I'll do that if I can't get a handle on the controls.  I have
problems
> just stayng on the TRACK.  I wish this program could give you a list of
all the
> laptimes, instead of just the fast lap.  I also wish you could tell what
> laptimes you did WHILE you're running.  It would be easier to say, "Hmm,
that
> line through the corner was faster than before..."
> Did I miss *another* setting somewhere?<g>

The car actually shouldn't feel twitchy at all on that track. You need to
adjust the steering sensitivity and speed sensivity and you'll see a huge
difference. That's got to be why you find the car so unstable. It's part of
the controller setup, not car setup.

A better list of lap times would be good. You'll have to take a quick glance
at the wheel to see you're lap times while you're driving. It also needs a
better replay system. I really wish it had a ghost mode too. I'm pretty sure
F12000/CS had a ghost mode.

David G Fisher

Eldre

f12001 vs GPL

by Eldre » Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:54:04



>> I downloaded some, but at the time he didn't have the car I was trying to
>> drive(Benetton), and the track I was trying to drive(Brazil)...  I'll try
>> another car/track combo.

>You have specific needs, don't you? :-)

Doesn't everyone? <g>  I tried Hockenheim(another message).  I'm just going to
have to do some testing for different settings.  I'll try the ones you listed,
thanks.

Eldred
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Damien Smit

f12001 vs GPL

by Damien Smit » Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:08:27

Eldred, I've got speed sensitivity set to 0% (the same as full linear in
GPL) and X-axis set to 3%! - feels fabulous.  If I set X-axis higher than
10%, it feels very twitchy.

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