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Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

Eldre

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by Eldre » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 06:18:43


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Hmm...  You're getting better framerates with a slower machine.  Damn...

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J. Todd Wass

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by J. Todd Wass » Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:42:34

 Hmmm....  I managed a 1:33.xx at Monza on a P-60 system running with the
lowest graphics and 2-3 frames per second....  

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Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by J. Todd Wass » Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:45:44

 Hehe..  To me, that's kinda like saying watching the race on TV yesterday
looked like ***'cause it was only running 30fps...  I don't get it either!
lol  Oh well...

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Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:48:08


30 fps would be good enough if the games had proper motion blur, like
cinematic film and tv has.

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na_bike

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by na_bike » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:39:50



>> >>Repeated tests have shown that the human eye is incapable of noticing a
>> >>difference once the rate rises above 30fps.

>> >Won't this myth *EVER* die?!?

>>  Hehe..  To me, that's kinda like saying watching the race on TV yesterday
>> looked like ***'cause it was only running 30fps...  I don't get it either!
>> lol  Oh well...

>30 fps would be good enough if the games had proper motion blur, like
>cinematic film and tv has.

Yup, CG graphics on our graphics cards are the equivalent of shooting
film with infinitely short shutter time. If you would do that on TV or
film it would look "strobed", and was used as an effect in Gladiator.
Which looked kinda cool, but not very real.

If 24/25/30fps is "enough" is debatable, really, even with stellar
motion-blur. In fast pans everything becomes a blurred mess. Some
IMAX-formats for instance use 60fps. The best would probably be
infinite framerate instead. :)

Besides, if someone thinks that the can't see a difference between 30
and 60fps on the computer, it just tells me that the person in
question has a ***system. :-)

na_bike

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by na_bike » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:41:57


Try this: Set your monitor to like 120Hz refresh rate. Wave your
finger rapidly in front of it. Now do it in front of a lightbulb.
Notice a difference?

J. Todd Wass

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by J. Todd Wass » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:49:40

   Can't do it on my laptop... :-(

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Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by J. Todd Wass » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:59:03

  I'm not saying I can't see the difference between 30 and 60fps, but in the
heat of racing, someone's car control or lap times aren't as good as they could
be because they're *only* getting 30fps...?  Maybe my brain is still wired to
think that 12fps is really, really good!  I remember when World Circuit came
out, I was thrilled when I could get 10-12 fps on my 386SX 16 because then it
was "really smooth"  lol  

 By golly, when my buddy got a 486- holy cow--- 50 MHZ!!!!  Woah..  It was all
over then..  ICR2 lookout!  We finally saw "perfectly smooth" real time display
at what, maybe 20-25 fps?  Hehe..  What a fun day that was!

 You've got a good point about the motion blur in movies though, I forgot about
that.  I'll have to watch Gladiator and see how it looks.

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Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by J. Todd Wass » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 03:02:10

  Good point...  Will have to watch Gladiator to see how it would look
otherwise.  Still though, the line there (for me anyway) is really hazy.  30fps
looks perfectly fluid to me on a computer, even without motion blur.  But then
again, I haven't seen higher than that really, so....  ('cept in my sim when
there's no highway or sky, but then, there's nothing to gauge it against
anyway)

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Eldre

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by Eldre » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:40:36



>Yup, CG graphics on our graphics cards are the equivalent of shooting
>film with infinitely short shutter time. If you would do that on TV or
>film it would look "strobed", and was used as an effect in Gladiator.
>Which looked kinda cool, but not very real.

That must be the same way they did the battle scenes in Saving Private Ryan and
LOTR...  Yep, it's a cool effect.

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cgenn2

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by cgenn2 » Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:56:27

Actually the way they did the scenes In SPR was not changing speeds but
chaging the angle of the shutter on the camera.

Chris G.




> >Yup, CG graphics on our graphics cards are the equivalent of shooting
> >film with infinitely short shutter time. If you would do that on TV or
> >film it would look "strobed", and was used as an effect in Gladiator.
> >Which looked kinda cool, but not very real.

> That must be the same way they did the battle scenes in Saving Private
Ryan and
> LOTR...  Yep, it's a cool effect.

> Eldred
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Eldre

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by Eldre » Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:05:56



>Actually the way they did the scenes In SPR was not changing speeds but
>chaging the angle of the shutter on the camera.

Changing the angle?  Do you mean it opens and closes on a diagonal instead of
straight up and down, or something?  If it's still using the same speed and
'duration', then how would the angle of the shutter make a difference?  

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cgenn2

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by cgenn2 » Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:46:28

Eldred,

I'm not sure how it works (will look into it), but by changing the angle
(opening or closing on a diagonal) it changes the entrance of light into the
camera. Sorry I don't have a better answer but I'll try and find one.

Chris G.




> >Actually the way they did the scenes In SPR was not changing speeds but
> >chaging the angle of the shutter on the camera.

> Changing the angle?  Do you mean it opens and closes on a diagonal instead
of
> straight up and down, or something?  If it's still using the same speed
and
> 'duration', then how would the angle of the shutter make a difference?

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Eldre

Is 30 FPS a good frame rate in N4?

by Eldre » Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:54:47



>Eldred,

>I'm not sure how it works (will look into it), but by changing the angle
>(opening or closing on a diagonal) it changes the entrance of light into the
>camera. Sorry I don't have a better answer but I'll try and find one.

>Chris G.

Chris -
Don't bother looking for it just on MY account...<G>  It was a cool effect,
though.

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