rec.autos.simulators

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:42:59

"Henrik Dissing"
Because Henrik, there will ALWAYS be those out there who ARE NOT satisfied
by the norm, who must, for various reasons(curiosity, pride, ego,
narcisisim<sp?>) they MUST have bigger screens higher rez's.
Now having said that, this is not a bad thing. Otherwise we'd still all
be putzing around at 640x480 and calling it high rez.
Besides {hehehehe} most of these users have a vid card that is incapable
of using features that make these lower resolutions palatable....[lol]
JOKING FOLKS don't get yer panties in a bunch....
dave henrie

by **Eldre** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:21:17

>>I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
>>at 1024x768

>Yeah, but N4 looks like ***in anything less than 1600x1200 ;-)

>No, seriously, it's beyond me why anybody would prefer 1024x768 and 80 fps
>over a higher resolution and a more modest frame rate.

If running at 1600x1200 drops the framerate to 40 or 50, do you really gain
anything by using the higher resolution?
Hell, I'm still running 1024x768 in GPL, and that's locked at 36fps... I'll
have to check my fps again in N4 - last time I remember checking it, it was
around 24? Maybe 30...

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

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with experience...
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by **m..** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:07:21

Hi guys:

Thanks for all the replies.

I am running the OpenGL mode at 1024x768x32, and I do not see where to
adjust the vsync and AntiAliasing settings. Are they in N4 or in my
system video settings. I looked in both places and did not see them.
Also, could someone either give me some options to tweak, or point me
towards a FAQ that would help.

thanks again for all the comments.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:52 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

>> You may need to turn of AntiAliasing and Vertical sync in the video
>> properties. Even with a 1.6 intel should run faster than that depending on
>> what video card you have.

>agreed. I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
>at 1024x768, so the poster has some tweaking to do....

by **na_bike** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:35:48

On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:26:21 GMT, "P.C. Oxford"

>Repeated tests have shown that the human eye is incapable of noticing a
>difference once the rate rises above 30fps.

Won't this myth *EVER* die?!?

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:20:49

> sorry to be dense, but i could swear the above info says
> imax is like "almost every other format." but i can see
> where yr coming from if equipment is now going to start
> showing the same frame twice. so it's a 24 fps x 2. so
> seeing the same frame twice within the same period
> constitutes 48 fps.

yes. 24 different frames, but 48 "refreshes" if you will.

hey! that's my excuse! :D

--
Gunnar
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gitaren er en sjingke

by **Luke Philli** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:22:02

What video card do you have. With my geforce2 mx400, 850mhz and 128mb
ram i get (when it works) great framerates in practise with everything
in full, and with a few things turned off like mirror to cars only
etc, racing runs ultra smooth also. Either your video card is not up
to it (doubtful with 64mb) or something else is up.

Luke

> Hi guys:

> Thanks for all the replies.

> I am running the OpenGL mode at 1024x768x32, and I do not see where to
> adjust the vsync and AntiAliasing settings. Are they in N4 or in my
> system video settings. I looked in both places and did not see them.
> Also, could someone either give me some options to tweak, or point me
> towards a FAQ that would help.

> thanks again for all the comments.

> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:52 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

> >> You may need to turn of AntiAliasing and Vertical sync in the video
> >> properties. Even with a 1.6 intel should run faster than that depending on
> >> what video card you have.

> >agreed. I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
> >at 1024x768, so the poster has some tweaking to do....

by **Henrik Dissin** » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:24:12

Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes. I'd let it drop below 30 before even considering
going to a lower resolution. But, chacun a son gout :-)

Best regards,
Henrik Dissing

by JM » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:37:44

>> sorry to be dense, but i could swear the above info says
>> imax is like "almost every other format." but i can see
>> where yr coming from if equipment is now going to start
>> showing the same frame twice. so it's a 24 fps x 2. so
>> seeing the same frame twice within the same period constitutes 48 fps.

> yes. 24 different frames, but 48 "refreshes" if you will.

Not really any different to playing a game at 30fps on a monitor that is
running a 60hz resolution then. ie still noticeably jerky compared to a
60fps update.

for animation, I have used software that will take a (for example) 24fps
animation, and generate transition frames between each actual frame and
then run the lot at 48fps for smoother playback with motion blurring.

Your projector system doesn't do that though, it just repeats each frame.

cheers
John

by **Eldre** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 05:55:01

>>If running at 1600x1200 drops the framerate to 40 or 50, do you really gain
>>anything by using the higher resolution?

>Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes. I'd let it drop below 30 before even considering
>going to a lower resolution. But, chacun a son gout :-)

"Each has his own taste?" Ok, I guess so.
I ran some tests last night...damn, can't find the paper I wrote it on...hang
on
<rifles through all the ***on the desk>
<looks on floor>
Ah! Here it is...(some filing system, huh?<g>)

Athlon 1.2G, V5(32MB) win98se
Track: Atlanta, 20 opponents, single race practice
800x600x16 37 fps
1024x768x16 24 fps
1280x960x16 20 fps
I could drive ok with 37 fps, 24 fps was difficult, and 20 fps gave me a
headache...
I didn't even TRY the 32-bit color, based on how slow 16-bit was. Car detail
was medium, world detail slider was set in the middle, drawing distance
50%ahead, 25% mirrors, mirror objects medium, trackside: some. All effects on
except specular highlights(grayed out).
That was in D3D mode. I just tried OpenGL - at 800x600x16, just sitting in the
pits was 19 fps...

What fps are people with a similar system getting?

Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

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by **Don Burnett** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:08:07

> >>If running at 1600x1200 drops the framerate to 40 or 50, do you really
gain
> >>anything by using the higher resolution?

> >Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes. I'd let it drop below 30 before even considering
> >going to a lower resolution. But, chacun a son gout :-)

> "Each has his own taste?" Ok, I guess so.
> I ran some tests last night...damn, can't find the paper I wrote it
on...hang
> on
> <rifles through all the ***on the desk>
> <looks on floor>
> Ah! Here it is...(some filing system, huh?<g>)

> Athlon 1.2G, V5(32MB) win98se
> Track: Atlanta, 20 opponents, single race practice
> 800x600x16 37 fps
> 1024x768x16 24 fps
> 1280x960x16 20 fps
> I could drive ok with 37 fps, 24 fps was difficult, and 20 fps gave me a
> headache...
> I didn't even TRY the 32-bit color, based on how slow 16-bit was. Car
detail
> was medium, world detail slider was set in the middle, drawing distance
> 50%ahead, 25% mirrors, mirror objects medium, trackside: some. All
effects on
> except specular highlights(grayed out).
> That was in D3D mode. I just tried OpenGL - at 800x600x16, just sitting
in the
> pits was 19 fps...

> What fps are people with a similar system getting?

> Eldred

I'm running an Athlon XP1600 ( 1.4 ghz), EPoX 8KHA+ mb, and GeForce 3 Ti200
vid card.
1280x960x32 = average around 60-65 fps ( online) 45-55 fps offline with full
field. 70+ in testing. Open GL.
Car details high - world detail in middle, drawn ahead around 70%, mirror
objects medium, trackside some.

Don Burnette

by **Biz** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:33:00

VSync and anti-aliasing are usually in the display properties or some control panel especially for
your video card, you didn't say what it was so more specific help is impossible.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

> Hi guys:

> Thanks for all the replies.

> I am running the OpenGL mode at 1024x768x32, and I do not see where to
> adjust the vsync and AntiAliasing settings. Are they in N4 or in my
> system video settings. I looked in both places and did not see them.
> Also, could someone either give me some options to tweak, or point me
> towards a FAQ that would help.

> thanks again for all the comments.

> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:52 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

> >> You may need to turn of AntiAliasing and Vertical sync in the video
> >> properties. Even with a 1.6 intel should run faster than that depending on
> >> what video card you have.

> >agreed. I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
> >at 1024x768, so the poster has some tweaking to do....

by **Uncle Feste** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:24:55

> Athlon 1.2G, V5(32MB) win98se
> Track: Atlanta, 20 opponents, single race practice
> 800x600x16 37 fps
> 1024x768x16 24 fps
> 1280x960x16 20 fps
> I could drive ok with 37 fps, 24 fps was difficult, and 20 fps gave me a
> headache...
> I didn't even TRY the 32-bit color, based on how slow 16-bit was. Car detail
> was medium, world detail slider was set in the middle, drawing distance
> 50%ahead, 25% mirrors, mirror objects medium, trackside: some. All effects on
> except specular highlights(grayed out).
> That was in D3D mode. I just tried OpenGL - at 800x600x16, just sitting in the
> pits was 19 fps...

> What fps are people with a similar system getting?

Not a similar system really, but here goes.

1024x768x16 in OpenGL
Car Detail-Hi
World Detail- 2/3 (between the "v" & "e")
Draw distance-55 ahead
20 mirror
Opp drawn-20 ahead
3 mirror
Mirror obj-med
Trackside obj-all
All other effects on but Specular Highlight
I also run 2xFSAA. Online DegaTona races I avg around 45-50fps. Could
be better I suppose, but I'm an eyecandy junkie & don't like to turn it
down too low. :-)

--

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brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:40:07

"Uncle Fester"
At least with my limited time with N4, I got about 10fps better
framerate online than offline. But each track was different, some always
got better framerates than other tracks.
dave henrie

by **m..** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:53:27

My video card is 64 MB Nvidia GeForce 2 MX with TV Out.

I have found the anti aliasing control. My options are: Let the
application control anti alaising mode (Selected) OR
Off
2x
4x

>VSync and anti-aliasing are usually in the display properties or some control panel especially for
>your video card, you didn't say what it was so more specific help is impossible.

>--
>Biz

>"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
>alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
>the....." - Ash

>> Hi guys:

>> Thanks for all the replies.

>> I am running the OpenGL mode at 1024x768x32, and I do not see where to
>> adjust the vsync and AntiAliasing settings. Are they in N4 or in my
>> system video settings. I looked in both places and did not see them.
>> Also, could someone either give me some options to tweak, or point me
>> towards a FAQ that would help.

>> thanks again for all the comments.

>> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:52 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

>> >> You may need to turn of AntiAliasing and Vertical sync in the video
>> >> properties. Even with a 1.6 intel should run faster than that depending on
>> >> what video card you have.

>> >agreed. I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
>> >at 1024x768, so the poster has some tweaking to do....

by **Biz** » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:46:20

So turn it off, and check fps again. On the OPenGL tab, you can turn off vsync as well. Since its
GF2 MX card, N4 will run best in OpenGL.

> My video card is 64 MB Nvidia GeForce 2 MX with TV Out.

> I have found the anti aliasing control. My options are: Let the
> application control anti alaising mode (Selected) OR
> Off
> 2x
> 4x

> >VSync and anti-aliasing are usually in the display properties or some control panel especially
for
> >your video card, you didn't say what it was so more specific help is impossible.

> >--
> >Biz

> >"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> >alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> >the....." - Ash

> >> Hi guys:

> >> Thanks for all the replies.

> >> I am running the OpenGL mode at 1024x768x32, and I do not see where to
> >> adjust the vsync and AntiAliasing settings. Are they in N4 or in my
> >> system video settings. I looked in both places and did not see them.
> >> Also, could someone either give me some options to tweak, or point me
> >> towards a FAQ that would help.

> >> thanks again for all the comments.

> >> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:52 GMT, "rik zeppelin"

> >> >> You may need to turn of AntiAliasing and Vertical sync in the video
> >> >> properties. Even with a 1.6 intel should run faster than that depending on
> >> >> what video card you have.

> >> >agreed. I have the same dell 1.6 gig, with only a 32mg card and i get 80 fps
> >> >at 1024x768, so the poster has some tweaking to do....

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