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by **don hodgdo** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

race.

Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race.

Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it
that doesn't sit quite right with me.

Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead
mistakes?

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by **Brian Shor** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this race
are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing
like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the
other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the Michigan
race :-)

Brian

> That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at
the
> end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I
> couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to
> decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing".
I
> think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of
> thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more
> interesting.

> A

> > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine
open-wheel
> > race.

> > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate
race.

> > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about
it
> > that doesn't sit quite right with me.

> > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead
> > mistakes?

> > --
> > don

> > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
> > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **Brian Shor** » Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Ok, I see your point. Nevertheless, I found it fairly exciting. It's more
fun not knowing who is going to win until the last second (literally
sometimes), than knowing who's going to win for most of the race (like F1).

Brian

> Great racing is when you have two cars that are passing and repassing and
> going side-by-side becuase the cars are engineered equally well or the
> drivers are equally skilled, or a combination of both. That's what Arnoux
> and Villeneuve looked like to me. "Eenie-meenie-miney-moe" racing is when
> they keep passing eachother mainly becuase of a draft. I think it's sorta
> silly when leading the race becomes a bad thing. A little drafting is
sorta
> cool, but I'm afraid the Hanford device is emphasizing it a bit too much.

> > What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this
> race
> > are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close
racing
> > like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the
> > other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the
> Michigan
> > race :-)

> > Brian

> > > That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery
at
> > the
> > > end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and
I
> > > couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe
to
> > > decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of
"racing".
> > I
> > > think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort
of
> > > thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little
> more
> > > interesting.

> > > A

> > > > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine
> > open-wheel
> > > > race.

> > > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate
> > race.

> > > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived
> about
> > it
> > > > that doesn't sit quite right with me.

> > > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's
> bonehead
> > > > mistakes?

> > > > --
> > > > don

> > > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> > > > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
> > > > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **Aubre** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at the
end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I
couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to
decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing". I
think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of
thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more
interesting.

A

> > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine open-wheel
> race.

> Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race.

> Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it
> that doesn't sit quite right with me.

> Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead
> mistakes?

> --
> don

> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **d0le** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yea.. one guy totally dominating is SO interesting! "Gee willigers!
that way I wont even need to watch the race! yippee!"

I thought the last few laps was one of the most exciting races I've
seen... ever. Open wheel cars banging off the final corner now that's
exciting. A real shame when backmarkers decide the victory though.. I
always hate that...

... and a shame Montoya won too, I always hate him ;)

>That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at the
>end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I
>couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to
>decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing". I
>think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of
>thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more
>interesting.

>A

>> > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine open-wheel
>> race.

>> Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race.

>> Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it
>> that doesn't sit quite right with me.

>> Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead
>> mistakes?

>> --
>> don

>> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
>> http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
>> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **Aubre** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Great racing is when you have two cars that are passing and repassing and
going side-by-side becuase the cars are engineered equally well or the
drivers are equally skilled, or a combination of both. That's what Arnoux
and Villeneuve looked like to me. "Eenie-meenie-miney-moe" racing is when
they keep passing eachother mainly becuase of a draft. I think it's sorta
silly when leading the race becomes a bad thing. A little drafting is sorta
cool, but I'm afraid the Hanford device is emphasizing it a bit too much.

> What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this
race
> are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing
> like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the
> other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the
Michigan
> race :-)

> Brian

> > That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at
> the
> > end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I
> > couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to
> > decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing".
> I
> > think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of
> > thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little
more
> > interesting.

> > A

> > > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine
> open-wheel
> > > race.

> > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate
> race.

> > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived
about
> it
> > > that doesn't sit quite right with me.

> > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's
bonehead
> > > mistakes?

> > > --
> > > don

> > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> > > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
> > > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **Aubre** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I didn't say one guy dominating the whole race is actually entertaining, I
just think it's more honest than the sort of contrived racing that happens
with the Hanford device. At least when one guy dominates, you can say,
"wow, he really deserved to win!" Instead of "oh whoopie, he sure was lucky
he happened to be in front when the checkered flag dropped." BTW it was
indeed pretty cool when they banged wheels.

-A

> Yea.. one guy totally dominating is SO interesting! "Gee willigers!
> that way I wont even need to watch the race! yippee!"

> I thought the last few laps was one of the most exciting races I've
> seen... ever. Open wheel cars banging off the final corner now that's
> exciting. A real shame when backmarkers decide the victory though.. I
> always hate that...

> ... and a shame Montoya won too, I always hate him ;)

> >That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at
the
> >end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I
> >couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to
> >decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing".
I
> >think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of
> >thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more
> >interesting.

> >A

> >> > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine
open-wheel
> >> race.

> >> Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate
race.

> >> Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about
it
> >> that doesn't sit quite right with me.

> >> Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead
> >> mistakes?

> >> --
> >> don

> >> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks:
> >> http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html
> >> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

by **Olav K. Malm** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this race
> are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing
> like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the
> other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the Michigan
> race :-)

My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting
finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out
that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though....

Now, to bring this back on topic. D. Kaemmer, pretty please with sugar on
top, can you make a simulator so we can do just what we saw yesterday :)

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by **ymenar** » Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:00:00

We can do such thing in IndyCar Racing 2 Olav ;-)

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by **Bendit** » Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting
>finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out
>that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though....

It was beautiful to watch because the drivers were so professional (I
think it was more than luck that they didn't take each other out) and the
strategy was so interesting. Throw in the variable of the slow car and you
have all the elements of exciting racing (perhaps not quite as good a
Villeneuve/Arnoux/'79 :).

Bendito;

by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00

> > Now, to bring this back on topic. D. Kaemmer, pretty please with sugar on
> > top, can you make a simulator so we can do just what we saw yesterday :)

> We can do such thing in IndyCar Racing 2 Olav ;-)

Just did in preparation for the Michigan 500 :)

But you know what i mean :)

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>Ok, I see your point. Nevertheless, I found it fairly exciting. It's more
>fun not knowing who is going to win until the last second (literally
>sometimes), than knowing who's going to win for most of the race (like F1).

Same thing basically happened in the Nascar race. It was decided on the last
lap...

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00

>>My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting
>>finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out
>>that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though....

> It was beautiful to watch because the drivers were so professional (I
>think it was more than luck that they didn't take each other out) and the
>strategy was so interesting. Throw in the variable of the slow car and you
>have all the elements of exciting racing (perhaps not quite as good a
>Villeneuve/Arnoux/'79 :).

I *still* think they touched wheels. You're right - it was luck...
Great race, though!

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