rec.autos.simulators

   Steve-S

First off, attempting a pass that is considered 'unsafe' (apron, grass,
whatever)
is YOUR decision, and your fault if it goes wrong.  The other driver should
not
have to avoid you if you pull a boner.  Having said that, I usually will
back off,
2nd is better than last.  Or give you a nose up the boot coming off 4...  ;]

However, one thing that no one seemed to mention is this...most leagues
make it illiegal for someone to block the bottom (including the
straightaways)
the entire race.  This is the primary difference between Talladega N1/N2/N3
and the real one.  On the real one, you can get a run on the outside with
some
drafting help, on the sim version it is nigh impossible even with drafting
help to
pass someone on the outside of the turns.  What you *should* have done was
use
the chrome horn to 'help' him through the turn on the last lap...then made
the move
as he slid up the track.  I don't like driving/passing like this (after all,
if you can boot
someone out of the way to win, where is the skill?), but if he's going to
hug the bottom
the entire race...he deserves a 'bump'.

Cheers!

??Jan Kohl??        **The Pits Performance Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

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Some of us have never even BEEN in leagues.  How would we *know* the rules in
the leagues...?

Eldred
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  Let me know what you think.

    Steve-S

PS.  I most certainly will remember this drivers name for ever.  Never
again will I give him the respect he did not give me.

From those simple 3 screenshot, it's 50/50 both your fault.  He should had
went there, you shouldn't had went there.  Of course there is million other
reasons that could had made this happen.  You have to accept that when you
race over the Internet.  Just say "Oh well", and pass on the next race.
Especially when there's not even rankings to care for at the moment!

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

   Steve-S

There is nothing wrong with making it hard for someone to pass you.  But if
you drive
the entire race by keeping your car in the way of the car behind you, they
have 3
alternatives:

A) Let you have the race (90% of the drivers out there, I don't think this
would be very
likely).

so that leaves...

B) Attempt a wild passing maneuver which will either succeed, or put you
both in the fence.

C) *MOVE* you out of the way.

On the last couple of laps, nothing wrong with blocking your position.  The
entire race...
is just asking for trouble.

??Jan Kohl??        **The Pits Performance Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

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I didn't see it as 'blocking'.  I see it as having the preferred groove.  When
someone deliberately weaves to keep a driver from passing, that's blocking.  If
they're in the groove, and stay there, other drivers just have to find a way
around.   If the fastest line just happens to be the low line, most people will
stay there.  With the benefit of the draft, it's easy(isn't it?) to have a high
closing rate.  Whereas in GPL, I can tell that someone who makes up 10 seconds
on me in two laps is MUCH faster, and I'd let him by when I had the chance.  I
haven't run N3 online yet, so I may have a different view.  I'll get back to
you when I go online...<g>

Eldred
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I think we are having a difference in how this situation is being
interpreted. It sounds to me as though we have someone running a
"preferred line", as opposed to blocking.  I can't imagine *any* league
requiring a leader to give up the preferred line!  And in this kind of
situation, the "chrome horn" sounds rather aggressive, don't you think?
Running the line you choose would be one of the perks you get for being
the leader.

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However, at Talladega, since the N1 version, if the leader runs low through
the
corner (which is fine), but then continues down the back stretch all the way
to
the left, people behind the leader will most likely never get around them,
because
when they get to turn 3/4, the car on the outside, even with drafting help,
will probably
not get around them on the outside.  Notice I didn't say CAN'T, I said
PROBABLY.
Unless the leader has a substancially faster car and some drafting help, or
the
lead car slips in the turn, it's pretty much a given race.

The problem lies when the leader drives down to the left.  Many leagues
consider
that blocking, and it's not allowed to drive down there until the last
lap...the reason
being that any cars behind the leader (probably) can't make it on the
outside, and
are therefore forced to take to the grass (thus a wild pass) or do a little
'rubbing'
to get around the leader.

Having said all that, are you going to tell me that if you ran a race at
Tally, where
the lead car drove around the LH side all the time, and you made repeated
attempts
to pass and couldn't make it stick on the outside, but couldn't go low
because you
would be on the grass, that you wouldn't attempt a more risky move to get
past him?  If
so, I applaud you, you have more patience (and willingness to take 2nd) than
most drivers out there.

Cheers!

??Jan Kohl??        **The Pits Performance Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/

See my other message, Eldred, about this.  At most tracks, the preferred
line is
never in question, as the car behind the leader can make attempts on the
inside
or outside of the corner.  The problem lies with the fact that in all
versions of Talladega,
cars to the outside stand a very slim chance of passing a car in front if
they are never
given the bottom of the racetrack (meaning down the backstretch, not in the
corners).
Hence the reason many leagues have made it illegal to run all the way to the
LH side
at the backstretch of Talladega until the last few laps...

Cheers!

??Jan Kohl??        **The Pits Performance Team**
Computer Systems Programmer
USAF Air-Ground Operations School
Hurlburt Field, FL

Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com/
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com/