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KnightRider---how does he do it?

Brian Neil Levi

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Brian Neil Levi » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

well, you know how in KnightRider, Kitt2000 could always drive in and
back out of that 18-wheeler?  is this possible?  i mean possible
without distroying the car?  what happens to each wheel?  suppose the
car is driving forward at 61MPH and approaches the truck ramp when the
truck is going 60MPH.  assume the car has front wheel drive.  what
happens?  theoretically, Kit would suddenly be racing into the back of
the truck at 61MPH, but surely this won't happen... right?

now the second problem seems even more, uhh, disturbing.  you have this
car backing out at, say, 1MPH, and its back wheels hit the pavement.
suddenly, the back and front wheels are going in opposite directions.
and then what happens to the front wheel when it hits the pavement, and
can i shift it into gear without destroying my awesome sports car?!

i'm serious. should i attempt this stunt?

brian

Jeffrey S. Curt

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Jeffrey S. Curt » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Not if your test vehicle is AWD.  I mean, I suppose you could try it
*once*, but you could kiss your center diff goodbye.

Jeff
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Carl Carter-Schwendle

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Carl Carter-Schwendle » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

I've often wondered about this myself, and my best guess involves a
skilled driver putting in the clutch at the right moment and then
shifting into the appropriate gear for the new reference frame.
Sure you would beat up the tires after a while, but I'm sure they can
afford it and airplane tires go through this stress routinely.

Carl Carter-Schwendler

Eric T. Busc

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Eric T. Busc » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

My bigest question is how he can drive with that yoke for a wheel?
Brad W Trawe

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Brad W Trawe » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00



I'll pose an even more interesting question - what exactly does this
have to do with rec.autos.*simulators*??  Absolutely nothing, as far
as I can tell.

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Mark Whitm

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Mark Whitm » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00


: : well, you know how in KnightRider, Kitt2000 could always drive in and
: : back out of that 18-wheeler?  is this possible?  i mean possible
: : without distroying the car?  what happens to each wheel?  suppose the
: : car is driving forward at 61MPH and approaches the truck ramp when the
: : truck is going 60MPH.  assume the car has front wheel drive.  what
: : happens?  theoretically, Kit would suddenly be racing into the back of
: : the truck at 61MPH, but surely this won't happen... right?

: I would guess that wheel travelling 60 MPH suddenly hitting a surface
: with a reference speed of 0 or 1 MPH would merely squeel until they
: gain proper traction, which gives the driver more than enough time
: to clutch and shift.

What I've heard in past threads of this sort is as follows.  KITT, at 65
MPH, approaches the trailer moving at 60 MPH.  When KITT gets really
close to the ramp, just shift into neutral.  The 5 MPH speed difference
will probably be sufficient for KITT to coast about half way up the
ramp.  At this point, I've heard rumors that the trailer then applies its
breaks and slows to 55 MPH, and KITT's momentum carries him the rest of
the way up the ramp.  More likely, since KITT is already half way up the
ramp when his speed equals that of the trailer, (and the drive wheels are
hopefully off the ground), the driver simply puts it in first gear and
drives on in.  

: : now the second problem seems even more, uhh, disturbing.  you have this
: : car backing out at, say, 1MPH, and its back wheels hit the pavement.
: : suddenly, the back and front wheels are going in opposite directions.
: : and then what happens to the front wheel when it hits the pavement, and
: : can i shift it into gear without destroying my awesome sports car?!

: I seem to recall the whole thing with coming out of the back of the
: truck was just film of driving into the truck played backwards. I haven't
: seen Knight Rider in a long time, but I recall that if you look real
: close, the front shocks compress unnaturally right before the car
: leaves the ramp, something that would only happen if the car was
: running forward into the ramp.

This one's even easier.  Put KITT in reverse just to get moving (1 or 2
MPH relative to the trailer), then shift into neutral.  Leave it in
neutral until all four wheels are on the pavement and turning at the
proper speed.  Then put it in gear and fly past the trailer.

As far as tire torture is concerned, the squeal you here when the trick
is performed does eat some ***, but airplane wheels go from 0 to ~200
during a landing, and they survive.  I still doubt that they got more
than 5000 miles out of a single set of tires as many burnouts as they did
with that car.  I would be careful about trying the trailer trick in an
AWD car.  Having 60 MPH of difference between the speeds of the front and
rear driveshafts can do some interesting things to the transfer
case/center differential.  My truck (a '78 GMC Suburban w/ a NP203
transfer case) had full-time 4wd with a center differential in the
transfer case similar to what one would find on an AWD sportscar.  When
the front wheel bearings died, they sent a non-flatbed tow truck.  They
lifted the front wheels off the ground, and put the *** in neutral.  
The rear wheels turned at up to 65 MPH on the way to the local 4wd shop,
and the front wheels never turned.  Since it was a short trip (<10 mi),
the transfer case fluid never got hot enough to damage anything.  This
did not, however, involve any *sudden* acceleration from 0 to 60, just
what the diesel tow truck could manage.  Also, this is a gear-driven
transfer case designed to handle the input torque of a 454 with a TH-400
and 3/4 ton drive axles.  A 3000GT VR4 might not be quite as durable.  
Disclaimer: Don't do anything stupid.  If you do, don't blame it on my.

See ya'
Mark Whitmer

P.S. - Most of the above is my hypothesis, and is subject to inaccuracies
without notice or obligation.  Presently, I still think I'm right.  :-)

Marc D. Pete

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Marc D. Pete » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Brian, you obviously have the soul of a theorist.

The answer to your underlying question ("Can it be done?") is clearly YES;
barring special effects work, you have a couple of seasons worth of shows
prominently showing the stunt performed. C'mon! Nothing like an experiment
to get to the heart of the matter!

Feeble attempts at explaining what's going on supplied on request (I am
an experimentalist, after all). But my talents and experience would be
much, *much* better served if someone (Brian?) would give me a hot
sports car and a trailer to get a more definite answer <grin>.

                                - Marc D. Peters

Eric Aupperl

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Eric Aupperl » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00


  Backing the car out of a moving truck is a no-brainer.  Get it rolling
down the ramp, put it in neutral, once the back tires hit the street
put it in the proper gear (or let it roll in neutral a little more).

   Going up the ramp would be trickier. But if the truck is going
60 mph, and I'm doing 60 right behind it with my front tires on the ramp
and the rears about 6" from the lower lip, a quick stomp of the pedal
followed by a quick shift into neutral then, say 1st, would work fine.
After the acceleration gets you completely on to the ramp, 1st gets you
up the ramp.

   Now, all I need is a big black 18 wheeler....

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Robert Berus

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Robert Berus » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

-> well, you know how in KnightRider, Kitt2000 could always drive in and
-> back out of that 18-wheeler?  is this possible?  i mean possible
-> without distroying the car?  what happens to each wheel?  suppose the
-> car is driving forward at 61MPH and approaches the truck ramp when
-> the
-> truck is going 60MPH.  assume the car has front wheel drive.  what
-> happens?  theoretically, Kit would suddenly be racing into the back o
-> the truck at 61MPH, but surely this won't happen... right?
->
-> now the second problem seems even more, uhh, disturbing.  you have th
-> car backing out at, say, 1MPH, and its back wheels hit the pavement.
-> suddenly, the back and front wheels are going in opposite directions.
-> and then what happens to the front wheel when it hits the pavement, a
-> can i shift it into gear without destroying my awesome sports car?!
->
-> i'm serious. should i attempt this stunt?

I wouldn't.  The front wheel drive thing is off though (Kitt was a
Firebird, I don't care what anybody says), and Firebirds are rear-wheel
drive.  But that doesn't explain backing out of the rig.  Maybe he
shifted in neutral to back out.  If we look at this like a car on a
tow-truck, maybe it can be solved.

Robert Berus

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Robert Berus » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00


-> Subject: Re: KnightRider---how does he do it?
->
-> I've often wondered about this myself, and my best guess involves a
-> skilled driver putting in the clutch at the right moment and then
-> shifting into the appropriate gear for the new reference frame.
-> Sure you would beat up the tires after a while, but I'm sure they can
-> afford it and airplane tires go through this stress routinely.
->
-> Carl Carter-Schwendler

Maybe he would use the clutch, if the car was a stick shift!  Besides, a
car doing 60 in 5th gear won't like going to 1st or 2nd very much.  Try
it going down the interstate.

Robert Berus

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Robert Berus » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

-> -> well, you know how in KnightRider, Kitt2000 could always drive in
-> -> back out of that 18-wheeler?  is this possible?  i mean possible
-> -> without distroying the car?  what happens to each wheel?  suppose
-> -> car is driving forward at 61MPH and approaches the truck ramp when
-> -> the
-> -> truck is going 60MPH.  assume the car has front wheel drive.  what
-> -> happens?  theoretically, Kit would suddenly be racing into the bac
-> -> the truck at 61MPH, but surely this won't happen... right?
-> ->
-> -> now the second problem seems even more, uhh, disturbing.  you have
-> -> car backing out at, say, 1MPH, and its back wheels hit the pavemen
-> -> suddenly, the back and front wheels are going in opposite directio
-> -> and then what happens to the front wheel when it hits the pavement
-> -> can i shift it into gear without destroying my awesome sports car?
-> ->
-> -> i'm serious. should i attempt this stunt?
->
-> I wouldn't.  The front wheel drive thing is off though (Kitt was a
-> Firebird, I don't care what anybody says), and Firebirds are
-> rear-wheel drive.  But that doesn't explain backing out of the rig.
-> Maybe he shifted in neutral to back out.  If we look at this like a
-> car on a tow-truck, maybe it can be solved.
Robert Berus

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Robert Berus » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00


-> Subject: Re: KnightRider---how does he do it?
->
-> My bigest question is how he can drive with that yoke for a wheel?

I think having that yoke as a wheel would be neat!

Ben Newsa

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Ben Newsa » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Well, if you were still in gear the tyres would smoke on the ramp, and you
would have a certain time to adjust while the drive wheels were still
spinning. Actually, they do it by approaching at a higher relative speed
than 1 mph, let the clutch out and coast the front wheels onto the ramp,
then just drive up it. That's assuming front-wheel drive. Rear-wheel drive
is harder. Put the front wheels on the ramp, match speed with the truck,
then use a burst of acceleration, letting the clutch out just before the
back wheels hit the ramp, then change to first gear (quickly) and start again.
You will get big problems if you don't do it right.

It's a bit like landing an aeroplane, but not so bad. There's a slight
squeal from the tyres as they hit the road. Once you're rolling, engage
the correct gear and there you are.

I'm serious too. Don't try it. It *is* dangerous. I know several people
who have got hurt doing car stunts.
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Cheater

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Cheater » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Do you think they just back it off the truck and then play it backwards to
make it look like he is driving up?  I know backing off would be a no
brainer, but what about when your fron tires spinning at 60 meet the
stationary ramp....hmmm.

Cheater

Dan Harli

KnightRider---how does he do it?

by Dan Harli » Sat, 08 Jul 1995 04:00:00


>I seem to recall the whole thing with coming out of the back of the
>truck was just film of driving into the truck played backwards...

Then the background scenery would be going backwards.
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