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by **Richard Walk** » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>Wrong. The best time is 1.42.471 with no driveing help (Only marks on
>road on). Take a look at Frits Lucas homepage.

But that _is_ with driving help......

Let's see some laps without _any_ form of help. After all, if you can
manage a 1:42, you really shouldn't need the line displayed :)

Richard

by **Chris Katakouzino** » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> >Subject: GP2 SPEED - 220mph - how?
> >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:55:25 +0100

> >In the Hockenheim GP yesterday I raced the track myself beforehand.
> >With fiddling around I managed to just push 200mph, but was then
> >disheartened to hear Hill was doing 220+ in Berger's slipstream.

> >So, what's the fastest anyone has been up to in F1GP2? And how
> >different are perferomance/setup rules this year from '94?

> I pushed it to 333km a hour in practise on Hochenheim. Yet those chicanes
> really slowed the overall times down because you have to brake a lot to get
> into a good speed for the tighter turns and then you need to accelerate
> again. I am only at rookie mode (except damage is turned on), but I could only
> manage 1.50 in qualifying. I need to frig around a lot with the setups if I
> want to break 1.48. And the top time is 1.43!!!
> I get about the same speed on mine actually i think yours is faster, i

think i get about 331kph, the trick is to get as much downforce as
possible without adjusting your wings, ruduce the ride hight all round
keeping back higher than the front. If the plank wears on the ground use
packers so the suspension doesn't move down as much. My top time in
practice is about 1.46, i use keyboard so i can't better that for now
but you've got a joystick or better a wheel u can take 2 or more seconds
off. If u want u can have my setup just let me know.

Signing off Homer Simpson

by V1 » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>>Wrong. The best time is 1.42.471 with no driveing help (Only marks on
>>road on). Take a look at Frits Lucas homepage.
>But that _is_ with driving help......

Not as such. If you look at any track you will see *** lines. This
is not a feature of GP2 therefor making you would substitute them with
"best line" markings. It's really almost the same with steering help.
You don't get same feedback through the wheel as you would in a real
F1 car. This makes it harder to judge when your over the limit. The
only feedback is visual. F ex when you come in to a spin. You first
notice it visualy where as in a real F1 car you would feel the front
wheels working your steering wheel. This is real bad news for us who
likes oversteering cars.

Cheers

Martin

by V1 » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00

> I wonder how many GP2 owners were practesing Hockenhiem Saturday/Sunday
> :)
> I got upto 205mp[h & thats with the rear wing at 1

I posted some questions to Microprose and the guy answering my
questions said that there are differences on the cars. F ex driving a
Williams you should get better results. I tried to go faster then
2:00.00 at Spa with a Simtek. No go. Did a 2:05.xxx. Switched to
Footwork 1:58.115. I did get the Simtek to run att 333 km/h (208mph)

Cheers
Martin

by **John Wallac** » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I spoke to the lead tester of the development team, and he confirmed
that there is _NO_ difference between the cars. Whatever car you choose,
you always have the performance of a Williams.

I've set a few hotlaps which are equivalent to anything anyone else has
run, and I'm using a Pacific. Georg Naujoks over on CompuServe drove a
Simtek to 1:12.7xx around Adelaide. Try that with a Williams.... :)

Cheers!
John

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by **Richard Walk** » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>>>Wrong. The best time is 1.42.471 with no driveing help (Only marks on
>>>road on). Take a look at Frits Lucas homepage.

>>But that _is_ with driving help......

>Not as such. If you look at any track you will see *** lines. This
>is not a feature of GP2 therefor making you would substitute them with
>"best line" markings.

Admittedly, its the least important of the aids, but it is still one
of them (and I suppose I can't really complain as I made good use of
the *** marks in Indycar <g>)

Totally disagree with this. You will find very few (if any) real
racing drivers who will opt for oversteer, let alone the amounts that
seem to be used by most people with steering help. It is _way_ too
dangerous as it is almost impossible to correct an oversteer induced
spin (whilst pretty easy to correct a bit of understeer). An aid that
helps driving with oversteer is completely unrealistic IMHO.

Actually, as I get used to the tracks (especially Silverstone), I _do_
seem to be able to sense when I get into the start of a spin. Maybe
it's just using visual clues, but it seems to be more a case of
_feeling_ that I am overdoing it <g>.

Richard

by **Quixo** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

For now... :)

eric

by **baeni..** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

You can't reach 220mph. that would be 354 kmh.
That's impossible. I reached 334 kmh (207mph) without slipstreaming and 343 with
slipstreaming. But since then I never reached this speed again.
Perhaps my carsetup has to much downforce. But less then RearWing 1 is not possible.
It could be that a big frontwing disturbs the airflow to rearwing and reduces
it's effectivity. I don't know exactly. Any ideas from other racing freaks ?
My best time is know a 1.42.306 but I think that it's possible to get into the
1.41.xxx. My splittimes are 30.600 1.04.6xx. But I have been faster at those splittimes
but I ofter crash by pushing to hard. Topspeed 206mhp 332kmh

The computercars can drive faster on the straights 337kmh (209mph).
Due to slipstreaming the computer can reach 220.
A little bit unfair in my opinion.

Andi

by **Mark Rober** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>Actually, as I get used to the tracks (especially Silverstone), I _do_
>seem to be able to sense when I get into the start of a spin. Maybe
>it's just using visual clues, but it seems to be more a case of
>_feeling_ that I am overdoing it <g>.
>Richard

I agree. When you`ve driven huge numbers of laps (and had huge
numbers of spins<vbg>) then you learn what the car should and
shouldn`t look like going into a corner. If it don`t look right,
better do somethin` quick!

Mark
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by **Thomas Krei** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>>Wrong. The best time is 1.42.471 with no driveing help (Only marks on
>>road on). Take a look at Frits Lucas homepage.
>But that _is_ with driving help......

Its more with looking help ;-) The 3D looking effect on a flat monitor
is not very good. The line helps a little bit. Real drivers also have
some helping of the road, cause of differences of brightness,
structure, etc.

Iam now driveing at hungary without the line.

Cheers Thomas

--- Get up, dive down, no problem.

by **Thomas Krei** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

>>Wrong. The best time is 1.42.471 with no driveing help (Only marks on
>>road on). Take a look at Frits Lucas homepage.
>Actually the best time seen so far is 1:41.xxx by Georg Naujoks of
>CompuServe. This is also with no driving aids

Driveing the 1.42.4, the first split was over half a second away from
my best first-split time. So I know, I could manage a 1.41.xxx, but I
am tired of driveing a few hundred laps for the ultimate lap. I only
drive a cours a few days, and switch to another.

On the other hand, its hard work to switch from FLCS/TQS to T2 and my
Apatche needs a run every day ;-)

Cheers Thomas

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by **John Wallac** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Michael Schumacher
Gilles Villeneuve
Nigel Mansell
Ayrton Senna
Jean Alesi

Shall I continue....? ;)

Cheers!
John

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by **Richard Walk** » Wed, 07 Aug 1996 04:00:00

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:25:42 +0100, John Wallace

>>Totally disagree with this. You will find very few (if any) real
>>racing drivers who will opt for oversteer

>Michael Schumacher
>Gilles Villeneuve
>Nigel Mansell
>Ayrton Senna
>Jean Alesi

>Shall I continue....? ;)

Oops, have I been talking through the wrong orifice again <g>

Seriously though, have I really been harbouring such a major
misconception? I had always thought that because oversteer is so
sudden and difficult to correct that drivers favoured understeer (at
least during races).

I'ld raise the fact that you didn't include Hill in the list if I
wasn't scared that it would start another 50 Damon posts <vbg> Drat,
now look what I've gone and done.....

Richard

by **Tony Sim** » Thu, 08 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Notice how all the drivers in that list are incredibly famous, incredibly
quick and incredibly brave (and all nutters!!). MILD oversteer can be
quicker because it means you can brake later and still get the car to
turn quickly into the corner, without understeering off into the gravel,
especially true at tight corners. By doing so the car gets pointed in
the right direction quicker meaning as long as you know when the back is
going to step out when you accelerate out of the corner you can catch the
slide and power out quicker than the guy with understeer.

I would hazard a guess that most of the lesser known drivers tend towards
understeer, and that is why they are lesser known. Hill and Prost are
perhaps the exception to this, in that they are both very smooth drivers
which to me indicates that they perhaps favour understeer (Hill less so I
would guess).

Basically you need enormous balls to drive with oversteer, but as you see
from that list, there are rewards for doing so.

by **John Wallac** » Thu, 08 Aug 1996 04:00:00

weig.netsurf.de> writes

Well, the CompuServe lap was just lowered to a 1:41.2xx if that gives
you a little more incentive to park the Apache and take the F1 car for a
spin :)

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