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F1RS and Win98 :^(

Trip

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Trip » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> Since I respect your opinion more than those people with
> F1RS/W98 problems, I guess I'll be upgrading soon :-)

Just in case it makes a difference, here's what I did... I had F1RS
patched to 1.09 running under Win95 OSR/2 (with FAT32) and no problems.
I'd been running the Voodoo version on a Monster2 card.

Before I installed Win98, I uninstalled all my game titles, then I wiped
95 and installed 98 clean, rather than upgrade over the existing 95
installation (I always prefer a clean OS install over an upgrade).

Once 98 was installed and running, I reinstalled F1RS (full install) and
then the 1.09 patch. F1RS then started right up with no problem.

I don't doubt that there may be some problems to be had if 98 is
installed on top of 95, my work machine had something of a hard time
with the 95-98 upgrade, which is why I wiped 95 from the home machine
before installing 98 there.

Trips
P.S. Thanks for the vote of confidence... :)

Joe Droga

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Joe Droga » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00

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> > My win98 with f32 and F1 work, better than w95...

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce.
> ----------
> The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
> http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Trip

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Trip » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> My win98 with f32 and F1 work, better than w95...

You can say that again...

Trips

Trip

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Trip » Wed, 01 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> OK, cool F1RS works with Win98, but tell us, is it worth the upgrade? Does the
> sim run better and how so? How does the upgrade to Win98 affect the rest of
> your system?

I can't say that Win98 has made F1RS (or any other sim that I run) any
better or worse. Seems very much like 95, but with some minor
enhancements to the interface and a bunch of bug fixes. OVerall, 98
seems a bit more solid than 95 did.

The OS seems to run a wee bit faster than 95, it's been rock stable so
far on both the office machine and my home rig. Is it worth the $90 or
so? Hard to say. My take is that we'll eventually have to have it, so I
just went ahead and got it.

Trips

DPHI

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by DPHI » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

OK, cool F1RS works with Win98, but tell us, is it worth the upgrade? Does the
sim run better and how so? How does the upgrade to Win98 affect the rest of
your system?

 Don

Simo

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Simo » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Well Bruce,

There is actually a product which can convert a FAT32 drive to a FAT16 (and
vice verca) - it is called PartitionMagic 3.05 and is developed by
PowerQuest. You can find a description on www.powerquest.com

Where I work, we sell PartitionMagic for 680 Danish Kroner - approximately
$100 US. I personally use PM both on my work-pc and on my home pc.

This product not only converts drives, it can also change your partitions
without you losing any data - it is really a superb product, and you should
give it a try.

Regards,

Simon


>The manual that accompanies Win 98 actually states that some programs
>that ran under F16 on W95 may not operate under F32 in W98.
>Now that you have installed F32 you cannot uninstall W98 either....you
>will need to reformat the HDD.

mark jeangerar

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by mark jeangerar » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

But your IE4 seems to be on the blink.

--

mark
"If you get to the point where you truly understand what the term 'controlled looseness' means, then, and only then, do you know what the term 'fast' means."

F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm
Remove us here and there to mail me.


    My win98 with f32 and F1 work, better than w95...



    >The manual that accompanies Win 98 actually states that some programs
    >that ran under F16 on W95 may not operate under F32 in W98.
    >Now that you have installed F32 you cannot uninstall W98 either....you
    >will need to reformat the HDD.
    >

    >>
    >> Ever since I installed Windows 98 and converted my hard drive to FAT32
    >> my F1 won't work anymore.
    >
    >--
    >Regards,
    >Bruce.
    >----------
    >The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
    >http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

mark jeangerar

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by mark jeangerar » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

F1RS runs so much better that it is worth upgrading to win98 for if you like the game. You will be using 98 anyway so why resist. :-) There is much less stalling (none for me) quicker menu navigation (immeasurable) and higher frame rates. Why?

Like I know.

As far as F16 and F32 goes. I would reinstall F1RS just in case it got goofy in the rewrite. This is the list of games that work on my 98ified machine:

World Circuit, GP2, ICR2, N2 Need For Speed, Rally Championship, X Car, GPL, CPR, Super Touring, NICE2, SODA, and all the Doom and Quake things.

--

mark
"If you get to the point where you truly understand what the term 'controlled looseness' means, then, and only then, do you know what the term 'fast' means."

F1RS - http://www.nmia.com/~chaser/car/results.htm
Remove us here and there to mail me.


    >Just in case it makes a difference, here's what I did... I had F1RS<BR>
    >patched to 1.09 running under Win95 OSR/2 (with FAT32) and no problems.<BR>
    >I'd been running the Voodoo version on a Monster2 card.<BR>
    ><BR>
    >Before I installed Win98, I uninstalled all my game titles, then I wiped<BR>
    >95 and installed 98 clean, rather than upgrade over the existing 95<BR>
    >installation (I always prefer a clean OS install over an upgrade).<BR>
    ><BR>
    >Once 98 was installed and running, I reinstalled F1RS (full install) and<BR>
    >then the 1.09 patch. F1RS then started right up with no problem.<BR>

    OK, cool F1RS works with Win98, but tell us, is it worth the upgrade? Does the
    sim run better and how so? How does the upgrade to Win98 affect the rest of
    your system?

    Don

Bruce Kennewel

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

:o)
Then kew muchly, Joe!


> May the gods of bandwidth smile upon you:)

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
Bruce Kennewel

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00


> My take is that we'll eventually have to have it, so I
> just went ahead and got it.

No....we won't.  What *will* occur, around 2001, is the issue of NT in
several different levels, one of those levels being for "home consumers"
and that product will provide support for gameplay.  The other two
levels won't.

Win98 is nothing more than Win95, version d....a Big Patch.

Anyone seriously contemplating replacement of their W95 OS would be
better off with NT....except for the gameplay considerations.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Bruce Kennewel

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

Thank you for that information, Simon.
I will certainly check it out.


> Well Bruce,

> There is actually a product which can convert a FAT32 drive to a FAT16 (and
> vice verca) - it is called PartitionMagic 3.05 and is developed by
> PowerQuest.

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/
Bruce Kennewel

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

What about the Toyota Atlantic Championship...that Bethesda product,
Mark?  Does that run okay?

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
The GP Legends Historic Motor Racing Club  is located at:-
http://www.netspeed.com.au/brucek/legends/

Marc J. Nelso

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by Marc J. Nelso » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

I see that it's supercharged your "send" button as well.  ;)


> My win98 with f32 and F1 work, better than w95...



--
Marc J. Nelson
The Sim Project - The Ultimate Sim Resource
http://www.simproject.com/
skp

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by skp » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00

... A bunch of HTML and clipped lines.

As you can see I really did do a clean install.  I think my netscape
settings are now correct.

Regrets,
Scott

skp

F1RS and Win98 :^(

by skp » Thu, 02 Jul 1998 04:00:00



> > My take is that we'll eventually have to have it, so I
> > just went ahead and got it.

> No....we won't.  What *will* occur, around 2001, is the issue of NT in
> several different levels, one of those levels being for "home consumers"
> and that product will provide support for gameplay.  The other two
> levels won't.

> Win98 is nothing more than Win95, version d....a Big Patch.

> Anyone seriously contemplating replacement of their W95 OS would be
> better off with NT....except for the gameplay considerations.

In a sense, I agree with Bruce, Win98 is the complete Win95 roll-up patch.
Hundreds of new drivers are integrated, the dispatcher and memory management

are cleaned up.  Far fewer 3rd-party tools and utilities are required.  The
end-user
can finally buy Fat-32 without buying a computer etc.

For some time I've been running one of my systems dual-boot.  I had Win95
for
games and NT4.0 for "serious" work.  NT certainly has advantages for
software
development as it provides better process isolation and control.  It turns
out that I
do almost zero code development at home however.  I found myself becoming
very annoyed by the lack of DirectX/Direct3D support in NT.  With the
additional
slips in the NT 5.0 schedule, and the massive updates in Win98, it's going
to take
a lot of work for NT to reach parity with Win98 in the DirectX front.  In
addition,
NT 4.0 is no Unix if you know what I mean.  They have a long way to go with
regards
to multi-processor useability, scheduling gaurantees, realtime performance,
filesystem
predictability etc.

With the arrival of Win98, I've converted all of my home systems to
FAT32/Win98 and
am personally very happy with the results.  I also took the opportunity to
re-format
and cleanly install everything which is always helpful.  Now my wife and
kids only
have one environment to deal with.  My large disks are now each one simple
partition.
Everything I've tried runs as well or better than before.

I would say that unless you are doing software development or running a
server,
Win98 is a much better choice.  It's cheaper, faster, more compatible, has a
better
user-interface and is as Bruce said, the Win95 roll-up.  At least they only
charge
$89 every 3 years for this one compared the the $200 or so for
office97,98,99...
upgrades.  After reading this and other newsgroups as well as doing several
installs
myself, I would suggest two other small points.,

    1.    Do a clean install.  You probably have tons of garbage in your
Win95 regristry.
           Don't forget to backup your important files.

    2.    Don't use the MS 3DFX drivers.  Load the current versions from
your board mfgr.

Best Wishes,
Scott


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