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IS Papy ever going to sort this out???

Eric Busc

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by Eric Busc » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:24:29

Actually that's not too unexpected, as the 1.0.3b drivers are not the
drivers that people have had success with.  Instead they've used the
older 1.0.3 drivers (note the missing 'b').

- Eric


Rafe McAulif

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by Rafe McAulif » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:42:46

NP, good luck with the PC shop :)

Rafe Mc



>Thanx for the info Rafe, and this has been stated several times now
>via the 'nice folks' trying to help. So I guess it is my problem? Sadly
>for reasons by my builders it'll have to go into the shop for 2-stupid
>wires because if I open the tower I break the seals & my warranty is
>then ended. I guess when I get the time & patience to rip it all down.
>Then I will take it over to my Gurus..
>Again thank you Rafe and everyone else who tried to help! This is
>my last post on this issue as it is going into redundancy mode and
>others are apparently getting Pee'O'ed with this thread.{-Not that I
>really give a flying F**k tho'.-}
>Cheers Thom_j.



>| Thom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which
>| loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD
>| controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can
>| adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming
>| I got the keys right!)
>|
>| If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices
>| are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the
>| hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it.
>|
>| The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID
>| connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing,
>| you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The
>| same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be
>| fine from there on.
>|
>| You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not
>| though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary
>| master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set.
>|
>| BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if
>| you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid
>| future hardware probs.
>|
>| Rafe Mc

Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 01 Nov 2001 02:01:29



>What a loser......

Why - because he has to totally tear apart his computer for ONE program?
Obviously, you'd be more than happy to disrupt your system for it...
And you're surprized he didn't appreciate your abrasive comment?  Some people's
children...

Eldred
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SimRace

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by SimRace » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 04:13:07


Wow, you obviously don't know of Thom_J at all do you? He is a lot more
insightful around here than your post was. If he were you or I, yes he could
pull his ribbon cable off his RAID connector and plug it into is plain IDE
connector and likely be done with the problem forever, but the guy has
confessed he is uncomfortable doing this. I undertand this, not everyone is
as computer literate as *me* hehe, but don't rant on him just because he is
frustrated. Geeze. He hasn't been ranting at YOU has he, No, it has been
Papy and his RAID controller people.

Thom, hopefully there will be a fix for the controller issue soon so you can
go back to helping folks instead of getting flamed...I have a RAID board
with the HPT370 controller too, I just don't use the RAID side and all is
well, a fix should not be that hard if someone would just do it and get it
out to the public.

Thom j

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by Thom j » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 07:03:20

SimRacer, First, Thank you for the kind words, Now, yes it is frustrating
to have a "Sim Game" that I enjoyed not run because of a patch. I'm still
a bit confused why my Highpoint stuff is such a problem for the new 1.3
patch but I'm over my head with all this crap, as stated before! :)
I also hope this issue will be resolved quickly and as you well know I am
a helper, not a ranting complainer but I digress. Anyway I'm not going to
"re-hash" old' news & I just wanted to acknowledge that I had seen your
post and thank you.. Cheers Thom_j.


| Wow, you obviously don't know of Thom_J at all do you? He is a lot more
| insightful around here than your post was. If he were you or I, yes he
could
| pull his ribbon cable off his RAID connector and plug it into is plain IDE
| connector and likely be done with the problem forever, but the guy has
| confessed he is uncomfortable doing this. I undertand this, not everyone
is
| as computer literate as *me* hehe, but don't rant on him just because he
is
| frustrated. Geeze. He hasn't been ranting at YOU has he, No, it has been
| Papy and his RAID controller people.
|
| Thom, hopefully there will be a fix for the controller issue soon so you
can
| go back to helping folks instead of getting flamed...I have a RAID board
| with the HPT370 controller too, I just don't use the RAID side and all is
| well, a fix should not be that hard if someone would just do it and get it
| out to the public.
|
|

Larr

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by Larr » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:12:26

The solution is simple, Eric.  Pull out that useless SecuRom junk and
everyone will be able to play the games they purchased :)

-Larry


> The patch uses an updated version of Sony's SecuROM protection, which
> has since been found to have problems on some systems with HTP370 RAID
> controllers.  Sony and HighPoint are both aware of the problem, and are
> working together on a solution.  Its unknown at the time whether it will
> be a driver update for the HTP370, or an update to the SecuROM
> protection, or perhaps even both.

> I'm not sure what address you might be using, but there is no email at
> Papy for tech support.  All such issues and concerns should be directed
> to Sierra instead.

> - Eric



> > I am lost then Eric?? Why Or What does Highpoint or Sony have to
> > do to make a Sierra product run correctly? It ran fine with 1.1 patch!
> > please re: & inform.. Thom_j.
> > P.S. btw: I never knew you didn't reply via your email address but
> > neither did Papy or Sierra! A bit disappointing in my opinion!!

Larr

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by Larr » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:13:31

The 1.03's have also fixed a lot of problems with mice as well, if I recall
correctly.

-Larry


> Actually that's not too unexpected, as the 1.0.3b drivers are not the
> drivers that people have had success with.  Instead they've used the
> older 1.0.3 drivers (note the missing 'b').

> - Eric



> > Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integrated
> Highpoint
> > RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the
> 1.0.3b
> > drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When I
> installed the
> > older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as I
> tried
> > to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The only
> thing
> > that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the
> > Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to get
> out of
> > it.

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:00:10


   I would bet that Papyrus has no say in the matter.  Most likely Sierra
has signed a contract with Sony to copy-protect all it's titles.  I have to
say tho...that including a cp update in a patch is a new one for me....never
heard of it before....
  Also...while I don't condone Piracy...a hack is already available to
bypass the XP registration...less than two weeks after the official release.
Further proof that Copy Protection does NOT prevent piracy...
dave henrie

Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:57:18



Indeed, copy protections are TOTALLY useless, and it's ridiculous to
use a copy protection which does not work one many systems.
The only one ending up with problems now is the paying customer, since
the cracked version has this copy protection nicely removed.

The only way to urge people to buy their games is to use serial
numbers which are needed for online play. First it's very hard to
crack a system like that, secondly the cracking groups don't even
bother with that.

Another reason for focussing on multiplayer quality.

Andre

STP

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by STP » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:01:25


Yea, good. So where is it?

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:45:36

Bearshare(son of napster + gnutella)
Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:22:58





>> The solution is simple, Eric.  Pull out that useless SecuRom junk and
>> everyone will be able to play the games they purchased :)

>> -Larry
>   I would bet that Papyrus has no say in the matter.  Most likely Sierra
>has signed a contract with Sony to copy-protect all it's titles.  I have to
>say tho...that including a cp update in a patch is a new one for me....never
>heard of it before....
>  Also...while I don't condone Piracy...a hack is already available to
>bypass the XP registration...less than two weeks after the official release.
>Further proof that Copy Protection does NOT prevent piracy...

Exactly.  Civ III came out - what, Nov 2nd?  One of the kids in our office
already has a cracked version...
Yup, that copy protection really works....

Eldred
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Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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STP

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by STP » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:56:23


On second thoughts...I just read that the Bearshare software has Adware in
it. Think I'll pass, thx anyway.

Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:27:12




> > Bearshare(son of napster + gnutella)

> On second thoughts...I just read that the Bearshare software has Adware in
> it. Think I'll pass, thx anyway.

It's easily disabled.

--

Fester

STP

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by STP » Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:23:33


OK, I'll try it then. Thx.


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