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CART sim Eric Bush from PAPY?
Please? :)

Eric,

Just to let you know. I have a Abit motherboard with an integrated Highpoint
RAID controller. I read about the workaround of reverting back to the 1.0.3b
drivers. I have the 1.0.3b bios on the raid controller. When I installed the
older 1.0.3b driver to go with it, I got the same lockup as soon as I tried
to run N4. No splash screen, no error message, no nothing. The only thing
that changed for me was that I could not do a ALT-CTRL-DEL and end the
Nascar 4 application. Before I would have to do a hard reset to get out of
it.

Perhaps others in a similar situation should hold off going to the older
drivers and just wait for the official solution.

SNAP!!!!  that's wot happens to me as well

daz

LOL it's worth a shot I guess....CART CART CART!!!

Rafe Mc

Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it
will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect
you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave...
.Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't
listed, then theyre on the RAID controller.

 Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the
screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the
devices connected there.

I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This
problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even
worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to
UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :(

HTH Thom!!!

Rafe Mc

Here Rafe, I sent this via email to Joachim, Maybe you can make sense
out of the mess below I found under Device Manager & also I'll check
what you told me about boot up & pause the screen to see.. But also I
do know HIghtpoint blah blah blah comes up on bootup on the top of
the screen almost like an anouncement with name, version, date, etc..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is what I sent Joachim,
I opened device manager and I usally open "View devices by type"
but I did what you said: opened "View devices by connection" and
there is nothing about any Hardrives or CD Controllers.
There is a "Shuttle EPAT Extrenal ATAPI Adpter" & this drives my
external 'Sony 10gig SuperStaion' Tape Back machine that runs thru
my LPT1 port. This has SCSI controllers & the mfg name is Shuttle
Technology.
Now when I go back to "View devices by type" {device manager}
I have a seperate device SCSI Controllers & within this I have 3lines
HPT RSM DEVICE   {opened the driver here is Highpoint 7-14-2000}
HPT370UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controller {opened the driver here is Highpoint
8-3-2000}
[and here is where I updated the 1.0.3. driver!] + it takes up Interupt
Request 15
Shuttle EPAT External Adapter {opened the driver here is Shuttle Technology
11-7-1997}
and under the "Settings Tab" & under Adapter Setting is this: /W95
So if I have a Highpoint & Sony problem, I guess it is here?
BUT.
I tried disabling all these & I couldnt reolad Wind98SE & then in
the BIOS I tried to disable ATARAID then I got a "BOOT DISC
FAILURE" So I had to put that back to enabled, then boot into
"Safe-Mode" to enable all "Exists in all hardware profiles" in all 3
lines again.. So thats all I can find.. And I guess I am screwed?
What is your opinions on this Joachim? I am out of ideas at this
point and now working on hour 14 of this crap! Any Ideas??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

| Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it
| will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect
| you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave...
| .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't
| listed, then theyre on the RAID controller.
|
|  Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the
| screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the
| devices connected there.
|
| I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This
| problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even
| worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to
| UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :(
|
| HTH Thom!!!
|
| Rafe Mc
|

|
| >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what
| >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now
| >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without*
| >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup
| >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :)
| >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j.
| >


| >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller?  If so, that's
| >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint.  Also, are you actually using
a
| >| RAID configuration for your hard drives?  If not, and you have 4 or
| >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint
| >| controller.  You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100
| >| controller.
| >|
| >| - Eric
| >|
| >|


| >| > Joachim,
| >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start
| >| ripping
| >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
| >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
| >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
| >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
| >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
| >|
| >|
| >
|

Rafe the screens flew by fast but I paused them the best I could.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Screen #1
Award Modular BIOS v8.00PG, An Energy Star Ally Copyright {blah blah}
GREEN AGP/PCI/CNR SYSTEM
Main Memory Clock is 133MHz
Detecting IDE drvies... None
{THEN WHAM NEXT SCREEN POPPED UP}
Screen #2
HighPoint Technologies, Inc. HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controllers
BIOS v1.0.0622
(c) 1999-2000 HighPoint Technologies, Inc. All rights reservered
Press <Ctrl><H> to run BIOS Setting Utility
Scan Devices. Please wait....
Primary Master:       Maxtor 53073H6
Primary Slave :        Maxtor 53073H6
Secondary Master:  Maxtor 53073H6
Secondary Slave:    No Drive

Then came the list with floppy drive, IRQs, etc. etc. & then the
Windows98 StartUp Screen to go into Windows98SE.. Thats it!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So it appears via these screens I'm running the BIOS via HighPoint
& the IDE Drives... yes? Any help welcome and still what a pain in
the azz!! Thom_j.

| Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it
| will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect
| you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave...
| .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't
| listed, then theyre on the RAID controller.
|
|  Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the
| screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the
| devices connected there.
|
| I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This
| problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even
| worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to
| UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :(
|
| HTH Thom!!!
|
| Rafe Mc
|

|
| >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what
| >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now
| >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without*
| >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup
| >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :)
| >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j.
| >


| >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller?  If so, that's
| >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint.  Also, are you actually using
a
| >| RAID configuration for your hard drives?  If not, and you have 4 or
| >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint
| >| controller.  You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100
| >| controller.
| >|
| >| - Eric
| >|
| >|


| >| > Joachim,
| >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start
| >| ripping
| >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
| >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
| >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
| >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
| >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
| >|
| >|
| >
|

Oops this is "Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG" Not! "v8.00PG"

| Rafe the screens flew by fast but I paused them the best I could.
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Screen #1
| Award Modular BIOS v8.00PG, An Energy Star Ally Copyright {blah blah}
| GREEN AGP/PCI/CNR SYSTEM
| Main Memory Clock is 133MHz
| Detecting IDE drvies... None
| {THEN WHAM NEXT SCREEN POPPED UP}
| Screen #2
| HighPoint Technologies, Inc. HPT370 UDMA/ATA100 RAID Controllers
| BIOS v1.0.0622
| (c) 1999-2000 HighPoint Technologies, Inc. All rights reservered
| Press <Ctrl><H> to run BIOS Setting Utility
| Scan Devices. Please wait....
| Primary Master:       Maxtor 53073H6
| Primary Slave :        Maxtor 53073H6
| Secondary Master:  Maxtor 53073H6
| Secondary Slave:    No Drive
|
| Then came the list with floppy drive, IRQs, etc. etc. & then the
| Windows98 StartUp Screen to go into Windows98SE.. Thats it!
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| So it appears via these screens I'm running the BIOS via HighPoint
| & the IDE Drives... yes? Any help welcome and still what a pain in
| the azz!! Thom_j.
|


| | Thom, when your PC starts up and tells you "p3 866, 256mb RAM, etc" it
| | will also check your "normal" IDE connectors for HDD. It should detect
| | you CDROM at the least. It'll say "primary ide master.....slave...
| | .Secondary master....slave" and list the devices. If your HDDs aren't
| | listed, then theyre on the RAID controller.
| |
| |  Normally devices on the RAID controller will be detected after the
| | screen is cleared, it'll say "HPT 370 controller"....etc and list the
| | devices connected there.
| |
| | I must say though, Highpoint make the WORST ide controllers ever. This
| | problem is in addition to their HPT 366 controller, which was even
| | worse. I was only able to get mine running properly by setting it to
| | UDMA 33 manually. Highpoint suck :(
| |
| | HTH Thom!!!
| |
| | Rafe Mc
| |

| |
| | >As I just stated in my prior post to Joachim, Eric I have no idea what
| | >is hooked to what? My Local Gurus' do all my hardware work! Now
| | >to address your helpful comments, How do I find this out *Without*
| | >tearing down my 'full' tower? If I can find this out via my bios setup
| | >or within my Windows98SE then this is something I *can* do!! :)
| | >Please re: & inform!! Thom_j.
| | >


| | >| Is your CD ROM hooked up to the RAID controller?  If so, that's
| | >| definitely not recommended by Highpoint.  Also, are you actually
using
| a
| | >| RAID configuration for your hard drives?  If not, and you have 4 or
| | >| fewer IDE devices, there's no reason at all to use the HighPoint
| | >| controller.  You'd be better off using the board's normal ATA100
| | >| controller.
| | >|
| | >| - Eric
| | >|
| | >|


| | >| > Joachim,
| | >| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start
| | >| ripping
| | >| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
| | >| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
| | >| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
| | >| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
| | >| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
| | >|
| | >|
| | >
| |
|
|

Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout off.
Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint to sort
out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up.

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&in...

First off you are not *my* "pal" J'O'!!
Who in the H*LL do you think you are telling me this crap? I will post
anything I feel pertinent to any issue here Via any 'Race Sim Game' or
anything close & if you dont like it put me in your kill file you A-hole!
It is A-holes like you that ruin newsgroups!! So the day you own this
newsgroup is the day you can kick me off. Since you dont, Kiss it!!

| Look here pal, you've been told the problem, yet u continue to spout off.
| Either quit playing the game and go away, or wait for Sony/Highpoint to
sort
| out the problem that you keep accusing Papy of messing up.
|
| --
| Biz
|
| "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
| alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
| the....." - Ash
|
|


| > Joachim,
| > I appreciate your helpful reply Joachim, but if I *have to* start
ripping
| > my 'computer' apart for just one program out of over 200+{and many
| > of my programs are extremely computer taxing aka hungry} I have on
| > my three 30gig HDs then something must be wrong with the 1.3patch
| > not my system! {imo} Also I never had problems with the 1.1patch!!
| > Odd!!..dont you think? Again thank you, Thom_j.
| >


| > | Hi Thom,
| > |
| > | if you look at the following product description:
| > |
| > |
| >
|
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&in...
| > | 7&subcategory_id=&products_id=307&
| > |
| > | You will see that this board has RAID support.
| > |
| > | Have a look at the 4 IDE-Connectors on the right side of the board.
| > | the blue ones are 2 standard ultra-ata 100 ide connectors, the orange
| > | ones are 2 ultra-ata 100 raid connectors.
| > |
| > | it may help to switch your cd-rom/harddisk cables to the blue ones,
| > | because these seem to have no RAID function.
| > |
| > | but consider this just a hint, i do not have know anything about this
| > | board apart from the product description.
| > |
| > | Joachim
| > |


| > | > Been here several times Bob but maybe you can help? I run an
AbitSA6R
| > | > mobo, Is this considered a RAID type board? As stated in my prior
post
| > | > I am *no* pc guru!! Any/All help appreciated & welcome! Tia..
Thom_j.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Thom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which
loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD
controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can
adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming
I got the keys right!)

If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices
are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the
hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it.

The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID
connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing,
you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The
same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be
fine from there on.

You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not
though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary
master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set.

BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if
you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid
future hardware probs.

Rafe Mc

Thanx for the info Rafe, and this has been stated several times now
via the 'nice folks' trying to help. So I guess it is my problem? Sadly
for reasons by my builders it'll have to go into the shop for 2-stupid
wires because if I open the tower I break the seals & my warranty is
then ended. I guess when I get the time & patience to rip it all down.
Then I will take it over to my Gurus..
Again thank you Rafe and everyone else who tried to help! This is
my last post on this issue as it is going into redundancy mode and
others are apparently getting Pee'O'ed with this thread.{-Not that I
really give a flying F**k tho'.-}
Cheers Thom_j.

| Thom, there is a separate bios for the highpoint controller which
| loads after your normal bios loads, this is just for the HDD
| controller. You access the normal bios by pressing delete. You can
| adjust the highpoint bios by pressing <ctrl-h> when it says (assuming
| I got the keys right!)
|
| If the first screen disappears that quick, it means that NO devices
| are connected to the normal IDE controller. This is confirmed when the
| hpt one says all 3 devices are connected to it.
|
| The solution is as easy as it comes. All you do is swap from the RAID
| connector to the standard ATA connector. From the picture I'm seeing,
| you move the left orange cable to the left most blue connector. The
| same with the right (secondary) connector. That's it. You should be
| fine from there on.
|
| You may need to let the bios know about the change (probably not
| though, it seems to be set to auto detect.) If so, just set primary
| master and slave (and secondary) to "auto" and you'll be set.
|
| BTW, those RAID controllers are more trouble than they're worth if
| you're not using RAID. You may want to disable it in the bios to avoid
| future hardware probs.
|
| Rafe Mc

What a loser......

--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/product_info.php?category_id=4&in...

  Insult all you want, but what he is doing is trying to make a broken
program work and unfortunately he is in over his head.  Too bad you don't
have any solutions.
  Hopefully you can remember a lesson your mother should have taught you.
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
dave henrie

Thanx Dave H!! I guess being away from this NG quickly put me in
the PO'ed mood when this other "Whatever?" tried to insult me and
I lowered myself to its level! You & many others know me and who
I am.. He doesn't and it's his loss not mine! :)
Also, U bet ur azz I am over my head with this computer junk!.. :')
Put me in a real-life race'car or motorcycle & I'm just fine but this
puter ***is frustrating as *H*..phew..
Take Care & Thanx again for the kind words! Thom_j.

|   Insult all you want, but what he is doing is trying to make a broken
| program work and unfortunately he is in over his head.  Too bad you don't
| have any solutions.
|   Hopefully you can remember a lesson your mother should have taught you.
| If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
| dave henrie
|

| > What a (Snip)
| > --
| > Biz
|
|
|