With 5 cent a minute and lower long distance charges
available (at least in the U.S.), can the Hawaii
model of sim-racing work?
Bob
I didn't mean running the Hawaii software with
Nascar 1. I meant setting up servers with
dial-up modems, and racing over long-distance
telephone connections, rather than over
internet connections.
Seems like if excessive profit was not your
motive, it could work now.
--
Pat Dotson
> Doesn't Papy's EULA preclude any one from doing this? Any one other
> than Papy that is.
> Bob
> > With 5 cent a minute and lower long distance charges
> > available (at least in the U.S.), can the Hawaii
> > model of sim-racing work?
Chad Rogers
chadliz
> I didn't mean running the Hawaii software with
> Nascar 1. I meant setting up servers with
> dial-up modems, and racing over long-distance
> telephone connections, rather than over
> internet connections.
> Seems like if excessive profit was not your
> motive, it could work now.
> --
> Pat Dotson
> > Doesn't Papy's EULA preclude any one from doing this? Any one other
> > than Papy that is.
> > Bob
> > > With 5 cent a minute and lower long distance charges
> > > available (at least in the U.S.), can the Hawaii
> > > model of sim-racing work?
If you did this as a club type of activity, with
a membership fee and monthly dues, who could
stop you? Would Papyrus sic lawyers on their
faithful followers?
--
PD
> Pat, I called on this, they won't allow it. I thought the same as thing,
> enough guys would be interested in it. No luck.
> Chad Rogers
> chadliz
> > What is an EULA?
> > I didn't mean running the Hawaii software with
> > Nascar 1. I meant setting up servers with
> > dial-up modems, and racing over long-distance
> > telephone connections, rather than over
> > internet connections.
> > Seems like if excessive profit was not your
> > motive, it could work now.
> > --
> > Pat Dotson
> > > Doesn't Papy's EULA preclude any one from doing this? Any one other
> > > than Papy that is.
> > > Bob
> > > > With 5 cent a minute and lower long distance charges
> > > > available (at least in the U.S.), can the Hawaii
> > > > model of sim-racing work?
Joe McGinn
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--
Scott aka Outshynd
The driver formerly know as Outshined
"33" in N3
27 in NL
"And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel,
was just a freight train heading your way."--No Leaf Clover....Metallica
Of course Papy is saying you can't over the telephone..... but they can't
stop you from doing it, and there really isn't any legal grounds for them to
sue you should you disobey. You don't have to ask the software developers if
you can make a competition for their software, and you don't have to ask
them if you can create a third-party client-server interface to race with.
The ONLY grounds they could forseeably initiate in court would be
"intellectual property" and "copyright infringment" on the website itself.
However, WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) have already
recognized that starting something (like GPL.com) before the company has
registered it as a trademark excludes you from reasonable litigation.
Furthermore.... Papy would have to register "Online Connectivity, etc" in
their wares under intellectual property registration to even scowl at you.
Keep in mind that they would have to list this as a ware for every title
individually, not as a shell company, and if you simply use abbreviations
(like NFSII, or GPL, N3, etc.) chances are you will be scott free and they
will have ZERO recourse available to them.
For those of you wondering how I know this..... I've been to court regarding
such issues and won.
Cheers,
Shumi
> > Would Papyrus sic lawyers on their
> > faithful followers?
> No, but Sierra would I'm sure.
> --
> Scott aka Outshynd
> The driver formerly know as Outshined
> "33" in N3
> 27 in NL
> "And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel,
> was just a freight train heading your way."--No Leaf Clover....Metallica
I think the days of pay-to-play sadly, are over. Now don't get me wrong, I'm
enjoying not paying $40/3 mos. for TEN raping me, but I do think a
pay-for-play system is the best way to go.
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> Of course Papy is saying you can't over the telephone..... but they can't
> stop you from doing it, and there really isn't any legal grounds for them
to
> sue you should you disobey. You don't have to ask the software developers
if
> you can make a competition for their software, and you don't have to ask
> them if you can create a third-party client-server interface to race with.
> The ONLY grounds they could forseeably initiate in court would be
> "intellectual property" and "copyright infringment" on the website itself.
> However, WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) have already
> recognized that starting something (like GPL.com) before the company has
> registered it as a trademark excludes you from reasonable litigation.
> Furthermore.... Papy would have to register "Online Connectivity, etc" in
> their wares under intellectual property registration to even scowl at you.
> Keep in mind that they would have to list this as a ware for every title
> individually, not as a shell company, and if you simply use abbreviations
> (like NFSII, or GPL, N3, etc.) chances are you will be scott free and they
> will have ZERO recourse available to them.
> For those of you wondering how I know this..... I've been to court
regarding
> such issues and won.
> Cheers,
> Shumi
> > > Would Papyrus sic lawyers on their
> > > faithful followers?
> > No, but Sierra would I'm sure.
> > --
> > Scott aka Outshynd
> > The driver formerly know as Outshined
> > "33" in N3
> > 27 in NL
> > "And it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel,
> > was just a freight train heading your way."--No Leaf Clover....Metallica