--DK
> I do remember seeing that on TV. Nascar teams help out each other
with
> everything; engines, tranys, & parts. They will work together to gain
> positions on the track and make deals to even pit together. Never heard of
> any of this happening in Cart or F1.
> Joel Willstein
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> --DK
> > I do remember seeing that on TV. Nascar teams help out each other
> with
> > everything; engines, tranys, & parts. They will work together to gain
> > positions on the track and make deals to even pit together. Never heard
of
> > any of this happening in Cart or F1.
> > Joel Willstein
--DK
> [|]-(_)-[|]
> > Um, "and make deals to even pit together"?? I'd like to hear more--but
> this
> > sounds odd.
> > --DK
> > > I do remember seeing that on TV. Nascar teams help out each other
> > with
> > > everything; engines, tranys, & parts. They will work together to gain
> > > positions on the track and make deals to even pit together. Never
heard
> of
> > > any of this happening in Cart or F1.
> > > Joel Willstein
Keg salesmen with, in some cases, $100 million dollar bank accounts...
(PS- if you are suggesting NASCAR racers are out of shape, keep in
mind that Jackie Stewart said his brief experience in a stock car
changed his impression of the sport- it was so gruelling, so
physically exhausting, that he aquired a deep respect for the sports
athletes.)
WC NASCAR drivers are clearly talented- the fact is, they may be, on
average, more talented than F1 drivers, when you come down to it. Why?
Because NASCAR has so many levels and divisions- so many ladders to
climb, and very few ways of bypassing those ladders. Every region of
the US has its own NASCAR series- and even below that, there are
thousands of stock car races each year outside the series. Meanwhile,
in F1, while admittedly the top drivers are world class, you can also
be rich and buy a ride in the premier series (true with CART too).
That doesn't work so well in NASCAR, basically because there is little
to hide behind if you are a bad driver. In F1 (and also to some extent
CART), you can never tell exactly if a driver sucks, or just his car.
In NASCAR, it is clearly obvious if you are no good, because of car
standardization- the whole pack should be able to race more or less
together- and I mean, inches from each other, tactically swapping
places constatly. There is no comfort zone, and there are 75,000 guys
(some already famous from other NASCAR series) ready to take your job.
There are also 2 or 3 times as many races per year as in CART or F1
I can't believe you are inspiring me to defend NASCAR!
Certainly in a straight line, Tony Schumacher would indeed embarass
everyone- F1 or NASCAR.
> >The drivers look like keg salesman and I doubt their talents.
> Keg salesmen with, in some cases, $100 million dollar bank accounts...
> (PS- if you are suggesting NASCAR racers are out of shape, keep in
> mind that Jackie Stewart said his brief experience in a stock car
> changed his impression of the sport- it was so gruelling, so
> physically exhausting, that he aquired a deep respect for the sports
> athletes.)
> WC NASCAR drivers are clearly talented- the fact is, they may be, on
> average, more talented than F1 drivers, when you come down to it. Why?
> Because NASCAR has so many levels and divisions- so many ladders to
> climb, and very few ways of bypassing those ladders. Every region of
> the US has its own NASCAR series- and even below that, there are
> thousands of stock car races each year outside the series. Meanwhile,
> in F1, while admittedly the top drivers are world class, you can also
> be rich and buy a ride in the premier series (true with CART too).
> That doesn't work so well in NASCAR, basically because there is little
> to hide behind if you are a bad driver. In F1 (and also to some extent
> CART), you can never tell exactly if a driver sucks, or just his car.
> In NASCAR, it is clearly obvious if you are no good, because of car
> standardization- the whole pack should be able to race more or less
> together- and I mean, inches from each other, tactically swapping
> places constatly. There is no comfort zone, and there are 75,000 guys
> (some already famous from other NASCAR series) ready to take your job.
> There are also 2 or 3 times as many races per year as in CART or F1
> I can't believe you are inspiring me to defend NASCAR!
> >F1 is the opposite of NASCAR and that's the form of racing I love. I doubt
> >there's a driver in NASCAR that Schumacher wouldn't completely embarrass in
> >every race. The two series are world's apart and I can't wait until March
> >10th.
> Certainly in a straight line, Tony Schumacher would indeed embarass
> everyone- F1 or NASCAR.
There was a fair bit of arguing as to whether this arrangement was legal or
not and recordings of the conversation between McLaren and Williams were
scrutinsed to find out whether anything untoward had actually taken place.
In fact in F1 even teamwork between drivers of the same team is sometimes
frowned upon.. just look back to Coulthard allowing Hakkinen through for the
win at Melbourne a couple of years back, and the arguments about the
practice of Irvine or Coulthard trying to slow down Hakkinen or Schumacher
to allow their team mate to build up a lead at some races over the last
couple of years.
Peter Hooper
> > >As for the sportsmanship thing, anyone rember Sterling Marlin's crewman
> > >leaving a wrench in the roof one race, and he stopped at the end of pit
> lane
> > >a another team ran out and pulled it out. He surely would have gone
down
> a
> > >lap or two if the team hadn't pulled out the wrech, but the team that
> pulled
> > >it could have gained positions on him if they would have left it.
> > I don't remember that particular incident, but I've seen teams loan
tools,
> or
> > give extra tires from a car that's retired from the race. Considering
the
> > intense competition they're under, I'm surprised these things DO
happen...
> > Eldred
> Eldred,
> I do remember seeing that on TV. Nascar teams help out each other
with
> everything; engines, tranys, & parts. They will work together to gain
> positions on the track and make deals to even pit together. Never heard of
> any of this happening in Cart or F1.
> Joel Willstein
All the things you described about F1 or road racing are things that deal
with watching a driver negotiate a track and nothing about having to
actually race anybody. You can see all that in a test session. Watching a
driver negotiate turns can be facsinating, but if you want to watch an
actual race, I wouldn't suggest watching F1.
Tracy Dean
Which shows that you've never watched F1 :-)
Seriously though, why is everyone sticking to these basic opinions? In
general, us Europeans think of NASCAR as a matter of "foot-down, turn
left" whilst you Americans think of F1 as "No racing, just go against
the clock".
Both ideas are totally wrong.
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Graeme Nash
Jim
bob
By that measure the Tour de France is the most interesting form of racing.
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Before you buy.
But that's not the point, is it?
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Graeme Nash
Depends whether you are in the race or watching. Personally I hate to
watch a runaway race where there is not much passing or running close, but
if I am racing I would rather blow the field away then have a close race.
Its just a ego thing, tho close races are more fun from a drivers stand
point.
Dave
