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I hate arrogant little ***s like you.
PLONK
- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
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everyone is entitled to their opinions, but IMHO this is leaving behind what
has been a good debate in favour of verbal abuse. Please don't, it does the
group no good and doesnt really give that good an impression of NASCAR fans.
dave
> I hate arrogant little ***s like you.
> PLONK
> - James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
> Techware Computer Services
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> On the following date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:44:51 -0000, said person(s)
> >may i quote an explanation for why their are no roundabouts in the US - cos
> >giving way to the right is a worrying thought for your average american :)
> >maybe the same could be applied to your tendency to go round in left hand
> >circles?
> I'm going to ignore the snobbishness of that remark.
> ...ok, I'm not.. I'm really starting to hate Brits with there arrogant
> remarks.
..point out that there are a neglectable number of road tracks raced
in Nascar...
..and then make a snobby remark yourself?
That's quite inconsistent, isn't it? ;^)
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I, for one, love and appreciate both. Racing is fun and challenging no matter
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> >may i quote an explanation for why their are no roundabouts in the US - cos
> >giving way to the right is a worrying thought for your average american :)
> >maybe the same could be applied to your tendency to go round in left hand
> >circles?
> I'm going to ignore the snobbishness of that remark.
> ...ok, I'm not.. I'm really starting to hate Brits with there arrogant
> remarks.
> Watkins Glen has right hand turns.
> ....Searspoint too..
> And they biggest reason us "scared" Americans like Oval racing?
> Because we like to go fast during the whole race.
> Not slow down and breath for turns like you F1 folks do.
> - James Wohlever
> #98 Techware Motorsports
>I know it will make some people jump but where is the fun ?
....well enjoy yourself at your favorite 4k 27 turn road course.... or should I
say enjoy the one turn and 150 meters of track that you can actually see....and
revel with elation at seeing those pointy nosed tubes with wheels woosh by
seperated by mere minutes...don't want them to have any contact after all cause
the slightest contact will after all force the driver to drop out of the race
because "me front wing got off kilter." Then there's the exciting interview
with the driver knocked out of the race "...they have to do something about
those backmarkers they're always getting in my way..." What fun!!!!!!
(Don't use NO***in E-mail)
You think in the storm we've found the eye of the calm.....Bill Mallonnee,
Vigilantes Of Love
> Seriously?
And speaking of roundabouts, my wife and I honeymooned in the UK and
rented a car in London. The woman at the rental car agency was concerned
about me driving on the left side of the road, but she never warned me
about the dreaded roundabouts. When I first encountered one, I had no
idea who had the right of way, and almost got creamed. Once I got the
hang of it, I found them to be quite efficient, much better than having
to wait at a red light. And I was tempted to steal a roundabout sign
with "Hatfield and the North" written on it (one of the great Canterbury
bands -they took their name from those signs), but I digress....
Dave Ewing
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You're right about the drivers racing against the track, for some people
that's great but for me it doesn't do anything. I'm not saying it's not
difficult because it is, it's just not entertaining for me. I'm not even
a big drag racing fan, they're cool to watch but it's over way too fast.
:(
> Subject: What is the interest of oval racing ?
> > I know it will make some people jump but where is the fun ?
> I am not the most eloquent person on this topic, but maybe I can share with
> you some of my observations as a person who enjoys NASCAR coverage on TV but
> wouldn't bother to put on an F1 race (or would put it on and fall asleep or
> ignore it). Go ahead and call me names or tell me I'm ignorant or whatever,
> but these are just opinions, so they can't really be *wrong*.
> NASCAR races on road courses a few times each year and I find those races to
> be very entertaining. I make sure not to miss Sears Point and Watkins Glen.
> On the other hand, I couldn't be bothered to see CART race on a road circuit
> (or an oval), so that says there is something about the cars that attracts
> me.
> In the case of open wheel cars, they don't look much like cars to me and the
> manufacturers associated with the vehicles often have little or no resonance
> in my mind. Arrows? Minardi? Sauber? Jordan? Benetton? Huh? A French person
> may be able to get e***d about a Peugot, but to me it is a wheezy, ugly
> little economy car where Chevy or Ford or Pontiac are cars I see every day
> and have known my whole life. Sure, they also make wheezy ugly economy
> cars, but they also make performance cars that have been part of my cultural
> experience since I was a little kid. There is no such thing as a 'Williams'
> automobile, so cheering for it to beat a BAR kind of loses relevance for me.
> I will never own a Ferrari or a McLaren, so it's difficult to care about
> either of them. I just can't relate.
> I also enjoy drag racing (which has no corners at all.) Interestingly, I
> would rather watch Funny Cars, ProStocks or even stock racing rather than
> Top Fuel. This would seem to follow the trend of closed-body cars being
> more interesting to me.
> My best friend is a big F1 fan and we have had our spats about NASCAR vs.
> F1. He seems to be very focused on the driver racing 'against' the track.
> It is almost like F1 cars could run the races by themselves and just compare
> times afterwards. It seems that F1 is rarely about a car or driver racing
> against another. In NASCAR, the action is almost constant and in very close
> quarters. Near the front of the pack, there is often driver interaction and
> passing going on at a fever pitch. In some of the F1 racing I have been
> exposed to, I get the impression that the biggest e***ment is from sitting
> on the edge of your seat wondering if a car is going to break down when it's
> 15 seconds ahead of everyone else.
> NASCAR is a spectacle. The cars are flashy, the personalities of the
> drivers and crew chiefs and car owners are thrust into the spotlight as
> well. They all speak the same language and the crowd can understand them.
> The big sponsor graphics splashed on the cars add to the fun. Many of the
> products advertised are used by the viewers so there's another connection to
> the viewers world.
> Being able to see the whole race, rather than a series of seemingly
> unconnected corners, is also important to sustaining the e***ment. Cars
> crawling around corners in the rain at 35 MPH is not exciting, even if they
> are trying to pass one another. Cars pushed to their limit, driving at 180,
> 190 or 200 mph for long periods of time are RACING, not just driving.
> Sustained speed.
> It seems like oval racing is a largely American fascination, too. Part of
> the lack of interest in F1 may be chalked up to the tracks F1 runs on being
> too far away and not names anyone knows. I have GPL and appreciate
> everything about it that's excellent from a driving standpoint, but I don't
> care about Kyalami and Zandvoort and Silverstone and Monza and whatever
> because I can't relate to where they are and didn't grow up hearing about
> them. I also don't care about the cars or drivers in GPL, so the whole
> thing loses fascination for me. It isn't the road course aspect, either,
> because I love SCGT (again, closed body cars.)
> I dunno, sorry for the disorganized presentation. The original question
> seemed to come from someone who genuinely doesn't understand why people
> would want to see cars driving in a circle. I think the answer is that they
> like the spectacle of the event, the close, competitive racing and can
> relate to the drivers, teams and tracks. I am really only speaking for
> myself and making some broad suppositions about other people, so take it for
> what it's worth.
> ~daxe
Great point. Just as the Europeans have football (soccer to us Yanks)
and Americans have American Football. Between the two, soccer really IS
football but that's just my opinion. :)
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> > I'll borrow a line from the "F14 Fleet Defender" (flightsim).
> > "If you're not sweating these carrier landings, you don't understand the
> > problem."
> > There's more to it than meets the eye. You cannot appreciate something
> done
> > right until you truly know how hard it is.
> > Jan.
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> > > I know it will make some people jump but where is the fun ?
<snipped a good discusion on oval vs road races>
track?
Actually, Big Mo Gugelmin owns that record now with a 240+mph lap at Fontana
in 1997, the last year before the Hanford Device was introduced.
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don
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I watched oval races where the winner lapped the entire field and road races
where the top 5 cars ran within a second of each other for the entire race.
There are good races and not so good races, let's just enjoy the diversity
that the sport offers. It really makes no sense to bash each other because
we like the same sport! I'm not picking on you Doug, just the general
direction that this thread has taken...
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don
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--DK
[snip]
We never had them in the province of Qubec, but of course we aren't really
Canadians ;)
It's just the way that different societies regulated the transportation
system. With our two major cities being 1) on an island and 2) on a
cliff, we never had the use for them. My only wish is to -never- have to
get around one of them, as I simply don't know how to handle them.
I figure myself in a slapstick movie doing round circles without ending.
;-D
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My wife and kids always groan and try to wind me up about this 'roundabout
racing' as they like to call it whenever the races come on but recently I
got them to just sit there and watch for longer than 5 minutes and they
picked up on how exciting it can really be. In particular the fact that so
much is going on all the time in each race was in stark contrast for them
when compared to some F1 races where unfortunately you can watch the start
then go away and get on with something else for a while without missing too
much (although that did improve a bit last year.
My own interest in Nascar came as a result of the original Nascar Racing sim
(did that one come out before Bill Elliotts Nascar game?? because I have
that one as well...). I started playing that and was immediately hooked and
haven't looked back since. In fact all my motor racing interest has been
sparked by computer games. F1GP1 got me into F1 and after having so much fun
with that I picked up Indy 500 The Simulation (oh the memories.....) and
subsequently got interested in Indycars. Then came the Nascar sim and
onwards and upwards with every other sim that has came out since. My
youngest daughter even likes a spell behind the wheel in Nascar 3 every now
and then, just hope it doesn't start to impinge on my sim time....
Peter Hooper
> >may i quote an explanation for why their are no roundabouts in the US -
cos
> >giving way to the right is a worrying thought for your average american
:)
> >maybe the same could be applied to your tendency to go round in left hand
> >circles?
> I'm going to ignore the snobbishness of that remark.
> ...ok, I'm not.. I'm really starting to hate Brits with there arrogant
> remarks.
> Watkins Glen has right hand turns.
> ....Searspoint too..
> And they biggest reason us "scared" Americans like Oval racing?
> Because we like to go fast during the whole race.
> Not slow down and breath for turns like you F1 folks do.
> - James Wohlever
> #98 Techware Motorsports
: to wait at a red light. And I was tempted to steal a roundabout sign
: with "Hatfield and the North" written on it (one of the great Canterbury
: bands -they took their name from those signs), but I digress....
My favourite was the sign pointing to "The Slaughters". Such an
unfortunate name for a picturesque set of towns. It almost ended up in
the trunk of my rental car, but common sense prevailed.
Stephen