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by **Steve Ferguso** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

:> Well here in Canada (and in the States, I think) we called them "traffic
:> circles" and we used to have a bunch of them

: We never had them in the province of Quebec, but of course we aren't
: really Canadians ;)

: It's just the way that different societies regulated the transportation
: system. With our two major cities being 1) on an island and 2) on a
: cliff, we never had the use for them. My only wish is to -never- have to
: get around one of them, as I simply don't know how to handle them.

Actually, the traffic circles are brilliant. After moving to Switzerland,
I started to really appreciate them. Anyone who can tie their shoes can
navigate a roundabout, even the triple lane monsters in the UK, with
traffic on the wrong side of the road. They are faster and safer. Canada
needs more of them. Now, crazy are the unregulated four-way intersections
in Ottawa. No stop signs, no yield signs... nothing but broken glass.

Stephen

by **Mark Hewit** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Now I understand all those jokes about American drivers in the UK,
getting stuck at the roundabouts!.

I don't know how you get anywhere without roundabouts personally. Where
I live there must be at least 10 of them within a mile of my house. Even
'mini' roundabouts (where they just paint a circle in the middle of the
road!.

There is one 'quadruple lane monster' just a couple of miles from my
house (actually its the one next to the angel of the north, if you've
heard of that). It controls the traffic coming off the main north-south
motorway going into Gateshead. It's a great thrill coming down the hill
towards it 40mph on my bicycle juding the gap in the traffic just right,
into the roundabout accross 4 lanes into the middle, past 2 exits back
accross four lanes again and out. Great fun!.

--
Mark Hewitt
http://www.worldmotorsport.com

by **Ace** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I am a racing fan. I want to watch racing. And I think the nature of a lot
of road courses these days doesn't encourage the drivers to race against
each other. (Call me cynical, but I reckon all these chicanes are to slow
the cars just enough for you to get a good look at the sponsors' ads) I love
NASCAR because there is always something happening. I gave up watching F1
once they reintroduced refuelling- now you can count the on-track passes in
a race on one hand, and it's rarely at the front. That's not racing. If I
want to see tactics, I'll watch chess.
Having said that, I do watch CART now and again, but somehow, the adrenaline
buzz, as a spectator, isn't the same. When It comes to sims, it don't matter
what course type it is or what series, because the main thing is to enjoy
the driving...

>Daxe, that was an excellent reply and pretty much summed up my feelings
>as well. I've TRIED to watch CART, IRL etc and I've found myself lasting
>no longer than 10 minutes as it for me was too boring.

>You're right about the drivers racing against the track, for some people
>that's great but for me it doesn't do anything. I'm not saying it's not
>difficult because it is, it's just not entertaining for me. I'm not even
>a big drag racing fan, they're cool to watch but it's over way too fast.
>:(

<snip>

by **David Er** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

LOL My mistake ! Of course in P.Q. the name would have been eloquently put
in French. I recall being told as a child about a big circle in the west end
of Montreal but the other kid may have been bragging :) As for Quebec city
any circles would be more up and down than round and round particularly in
the old city area.
My limited exposure to traffic circles was mostly fun coupled with the
odd moment of gut clenching fear as some clown cut across right in front of
me ( or maybe thats trying to get across the top of Toronto..... :) )
David

> > Well here in Canada (and in the States, I think) we called them
"traffic
> > circles" and we used to have a bunch of them

> We never had them in the province of Qubec, but of course we aren't
really
> Canadians ;)

> It's just the way that different societies regulated the transportation
> system. With our two major cities being 1) on an island and 2) on a
> cliff, we never had the use for them. My only wish is to -never- have to
> get around one of them, as I simply don't know how to handle them.

> I figure myself in a slapstick movie doing round circles without ending.
> ;-D

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.WeRace.net
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **David Shiel** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

juding the gap in the traffic just right, into the roundabout >accross 4
lanes into the middle, past 2 exits back accross four >lanes again and out.
Great fun!.

ok kinda off topic but this is the real point in roundabouts, that 90% of
the time you can go faster round them on you bike than in a car. Also i
wanna get caught on speed camera on my bike.

enough off topic stuff now

dave

by **Peter Hoope** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

You mean Schumacher on an oval?? He has enough trouble keeping away from
other cars in F1, what chance would he have in a Nascar race where cars a
inches apart lap after lap ;O)

Peter Hooper

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Actually, I thought I was pretty kind compared to the things I've heard said
by others about NASCAR over the years.

I didn't even mention how NASCAR and the WWF are often put in the same
category.

Sorry, I don't seem to want to take the time anymore to discuss a stupid
subject in an intelligent manner.

David G Fisher

> ----- Original Message -----

> > Boring. Low tech. Slow.
> > The majority of the people who follow the sport are not my type at all
> too.
> > Beer, crashes, and bad accents are what most of them are about.
> > The cars are low tech and sloppy.
> > The drivers look like keg salesman and I doubt their talents.

> Thank god someone came along to inject some gross generalizations and
> insults into this debate. I was beginning to think we might have to
suffer
> with an intelligent discussion on this issue, for once.

> ~daxe

by **David Kar** » Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Yes, it's always hard to make a 180-degree switch one's habits, isn't it?
Go back to your usual tactic, and save us the shock.

--DK

[snip]
Sorry, I don't seem to want to take the time anymore to discuss a stupid
subject in an intelligent manner.

David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Sat, 04 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Sim racers shouldn't question real F1 drivers manhood. :-P Yes, I know you
race real cars too.

Someone asked for opinions and I gave mine.

There's only so much time in a day. I LOVE NFL football, but I can't bear to
watch a college football game. I don't need to feel that many forms of
racing are legit in order to be an enthusiast.

I like every form of racing you just described (not real familiar with
Rallycross) except NASCAR. I've NEVER said anything to the contrary. It's
just that F1 has what I enjoy most. The cars are amazing and at the cutting
edge of technology and engineering. I love their speed and precision
handling. The drivers are the most talented. The tracks. The rivalries. It's
history. And yes, I enjoy the atmosphere surrounding F1, including the
beautiful women :-) .
BTW, I have raced motocross motorcycles in the past (and enjoyed street
bikes) so dirty racing is nothing foreign to me.

David G Fisher

by **Matthew B.Knutse** » Sat, 04 Mar 2000 04:00:00

David G Fisher skrev i meldingen ...

Well, I see your point, sorta :-)
(football/soccer is naff! hehehe!)

Yup, I know about the bikes, and IMO, you should get back up on one ASAP!
Either that, or send the remains to me!
Oh, and it's not really important to get into rallycross, it's turned into a
shambles lately with only a handful of competitors on a higher level.....
The atmosphere of F1 is something special, but I've enjoyed strolling the
paddocks of GP.C races, seeing drivers, cars...
I once went to Nazareth, PA for a CART race, and for a silly sum (think it
was $10) I got a paddock pass. Collected autographs from several drivers,
and got to watch the cars up really close. Only chance I get to do that with
F1 is at the Goodwood FOS :(
Still, I guess as long as nutters like EJ and EI are still in F1, there is
hope...

Matt

by **Matthew B.Knutse** » Sat, 04 Mar 2000 04:00:00

David G Fisher skrev i meldingen ...

The World Wildlife Foundation, David?

8)

Matt

by **James Wohleve** » Sat, 04 Mar 2000 04:00:00

On the following date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:20:16 -0000, said person(s)

Yeah you can tell which ones are from F1. They suck at NASCAR.

James "Gunslinger" Wohlever

"The object of war is not to die for your country
but to make the other bastard die for his"
-Gen. George S. Patton Jr.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Eldre** » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

>As for the sportsmanship thing, anyone rember Sterling Marlin's crewman
>leaving a wrench in the roof one race, and he stopped at the end of pit lane
>a another team ran out and pulled it out. He surely would have gone down a
>lap or two if the team hadn't pulled out the wrech, but the team that pulled
>it could have gained positions on him if they would have left it.

I don't remember that particular incident, but I've seen teams loan tools, or
give extra tires from a car that's retired from the race. Considering the
intense competition they're under, I'm surprised these things DO happen...

Eldred
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by **Ace** » Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Which F1 drivers exactly? I thought most of them went to CART, and I
wouldn't say Andretti, Rahal & co were ***

>Nascar is where we send retired ***f1 drivers to. :-)
>.

by **Joel Willstei** » Mon, 06 Mar 2000 04:00:00

> >As for the sportsmanship thing, anyone rember Sterling Marlin's crewman
> >leaving a wrench in the roof one race, and he stopped at the end of pit
lane
> >a another team ran out and pulled it out. He surely would have gone down
a
> >lap or two if the team hadn't pulled out the wrech, but the team that
pulled
> >it could have gained positions on him if they would have left it.

> I don't remember that particular incident, but I've seen teams loan tools,
or
> give extra tires from a car that's retired from the race. Considering the
> intense competition they're under, I'm surprised these things DO happen...

> Eldred

Eldred,

I do remember seeing that on TV. Nascar teams help out each other with
everything; engines, tranys, & parts. They will work together to gain
positions on the track and make deals to even pit together. Never heard of
any of this happening in Cart or F1.

Joel Willstein

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