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I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

Gerry Aitke

I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

by Gerry Aitke » Tue, 29 Apr 2003 04:32:29



>> Ash, this guys is just going to whine.

>> Gerry

> In your mind it may be whining. To me, whining is trying to get a point
> across without offering any constructive ideas. Your posts have shown to
> me that you're not interested in discussion, just you treating your
> opinions as fact. I'll be sure not to waste my time, nor yours, by
> replying to you any further.

> -Will

Great. What will you be after next, a click and win button? Sort your
own shit out.

I'll reiterate the point you chose to ignore: In real racing, the more
money you throw at it the faster you can expect to go! Why should sim
racing be any different?

Yeah, I know, you ain't going to answer!

Frank hit the nail on the head. You are in a tiny minority of people who
won't even do themselves a favor, so why should papy?

Yours sneeringly

GDA

Matt Jessic

I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

by Matt Jessic » Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:23:01


> I hope you can at least understand my reasoning and ramblings in all of
> this. :)

I get it. Sort of like picketing Hollywood to provide an option
on DVDs to "Optimize for 2 inch TV screen".
Mar

I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

by Mar » Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:26:10


> ...Papy forcing aids to be on for digital controllers, and there is a
> way around the problem.

> Why couldn't a dev code something that would "simulate" a analog axis
> rate for digital controllers? Picture this. I'm using a joystick, and
> I've got button 1 selected for throttle. With this new 'routine',
> whenever I press button 1 the simulated axis rate would increase at a
> specific rate of travel. The travel would, of course, have slider where
> you could tune it to your desire...aka; between instant acceleration
> (stomping on the pedal) or gradual acceleration. This would also be
> limited to accel and brake, which left/right control would be just about
> useless using such a method.

> Yes, it would take some time to add the code. However, it seems to me
> like a great fix for their horrible design (forcing aids).

> I believe NASCAR Heat did something similar to this, minus the slider
> (as far as I know...only tried the demo).

> What are your thoughts on this?

Take a step back.  You're trying to simulate analogue control with an
on-off device.  I see where you're coming from with the rate of travel
issue but why is that any better than traction control?  With TC
enabled you get as much power as is necessary to accellerate without
spinning wheels.  If you set a static rate (I don't know how it would
be possible to alter mid-race) you'll either be set too slow therefore
be slow out of corners and a menace, or too high therefore spinning
wheels out of a corner and be a menace.
With tyre wear over a run you may get a happy balance for the start of
a race but constantly be smoking your tyres as the race goes on.
Same argument for ABS.

I still have no idea why TC and ABS aren't ideal solutions to the
problem of getting fine control out of a switch device.  You *do* have
the option of forwards/backwards on stick for gas/brake.  If it's a
big enough issue you will teach yourself how to do this.

The game is designed to be used with suitable controllers, but it does
*not* exclude those that don't have them.  Much like any flight sim, I
s'pose.  Would you go complain on a flight sim group about not being
able to get analogue control out of your keyboard because your stick
broke and you can't afford a new one?

I have seen wheels with analogue paddles that were cheaper than what I
paid for N2003.

Good luck with the job hunting, and enjoy the TSW when you get it :)

Regards,

Mark

William Bradsha

I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

by William Bradsha » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:51:59



>> I hope you can at least understand my reasoning and ramblings in all
>> of this. :)

> I get it. Sort of like picketing Hollywood to provide an option
> on DVDs to "Optimize for 2 inch TV screen".

Borrowing a analogy from a recent email exchange about the topic, a
gentleman stated (in similar wording): "It's like living in a city, then
buying a bike and blaming Honda for not being able to enjoy it in your
living room, when you should buy a trailer and then take it to a riding
area."

While the analogy is correct in one view, mine is: Why buy one bike out
of three that doesn't have a trailer, when the other two do?

I feel that the gentleman who emailed me, his analogy was more on par
than yours is.

For yours, it's a situation where there are a total of three DVD's in
the market, and two have made it a standard to "Optimize for 2 inch TV
screen" (assuming this was a common practice), while the third hasn't
followed the standard.

-Will

Gerry Aitke

I Got To Thinking About My Dislike For...

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 30 Apr 2003 03:08:50




>>> I hope you can at least understand my reasoning and ramblings in all
>>> of this. :)

>> I get it. Sort of like picketing Hollywood to provide an option
>> on DVDs to "Optimize for 2 inch TV screen".

> Borrowing a analogy from a recent email exchange about the topic, a
> gentleman stated (in similar wording): "It's like living in a city, then
> buying a bike and blaming Honda for not being able to enjoy it in your
> living room, when you should buy a trailer and then take it to a riding
> area."

> While the analogy is correct in one view, mine is: Why buy one bike out
> of three that doesn't have a trailer, when the other two do?

> I feel that the gentleman who emailed me, his analogy was more on par
> than yours is.

> For yours, it's a situation where there are a total of three DVD's in
> the market, and two have made it a standard to "Optimize for 2 inch TV
> screen" (assuming this was a common practice), while the third hasn't
> followed the standard.

> -Will

Why don't you follow the standard and use the joystick forward/backward
for braking and accelerating? There is nothing wrong with the way Papy
implemented support for buttons or keys. But of course there is always
some *** who will complain.

Just do us all a favor and don't race online!


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