rec.autos.simulators

Why couldn't a dev code something that would "simulate" a analog axis
rate for digital controllers? Picture this. I'm using a joystick, and
I've got button 1 selected for throttle. With this new 'routine',
whenever I press button 1 the simulated axis rate would increase at a
specific rate of travel. The travel would, of course, have slider where
you could tune it to your desire...aka; between instant acceleration
(stomping on the pedal) or gradual acceleration. This would also be
limited to accel and brake, which left/right control would be just about
useless using such a method.

Yes, it would take some time to add the code. However, it seems to me
like a great fix for their horrible design (forcing aids).

I believe NASCAR Heat did something similar to this, minus the slider
(as far as I know...only tried the demo).

What are your thoughts on this?

-Will

Yes, Papy already does something close to this (simulating a axis for
accel and brake buttons, it seems). Yet, we don't have access to editing
the sensitivity to the accel/brake (Or do we? If we do, then why don't
we have a in-game slider?).

Here's my thinking:

1. Traction Control is linked to a button that is used for throttle. If
we're able to set the sensitivity how we want (less accel so quickly,
thus more stable), then there would be no need for this option to be
forced on.

2. Anti-Lock Brakes is linked to a button that is used for braking. The
above argument remains the same.

-Will

Gerry

What I've proposed is a feasible solution to a problem for non-wheel
drivers. Do you disagree with it? Should customers be required to own a
wheel to play and enjoy this game to it's full ability?

-Will

I'm sure there are limits to how many people a company can satisfy.  It comes
down to return on investment.  If a title sells 10,000 copies, but 100 people
won't buy it because of a specific feature(or lack thereof), is it worth the
effort to get those last 100 customers?  We see the same arguments about
savegames.  Most people think it should at least be an OPTION, but for whatever
reasons, the companies haven't complied.  Are the publishers worried about the
few people who *say* they won't buy(I think some buy it anyway) Game X if it
doesn't have a savegame feature?  Doubtful.

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It's also a mixed bag about not buying software because of something
being forced on or not included. The customer has the final decision,
but in the end Sierra has already made the sale to the outlet.

While it's annoying to hear debate rage on about save games, it angers
me to see a software company say, in effect, "Screw you buddy. You don't
own a wheel!" when it comes down to hindering my enjoyment (and
certainly others as well) of their product.

In a sense, this shouldn't even compare to adding in a save game
"feature". The save game idea has been ruled out time and time again. Am
I wrong for wanting to see more people being able to enjoy the software
they purchased?

Fer Christ's sake, even NASCAR Thunder 2003 doesn't place restrictions
on the non-wheel drivers.

I invite everyone to put away their wheels for a week and try racing
with a joystick. Come back and tell me that Papy didn't make a bad
decision, nor are they willing to toss in any sort of fix or quick fix.

I'm not saying I won't buy the next and last installment, just not until
I have enough money together for a wheel. Even if I did have the money
to buy the title at this very moment, I wouldn't support Papy because
they refuse to properly support non-wheel drivers.

I hope you can at least understand my reasoning and ramblings in all of
this. :)

-Will

And threading shakey ground as to how representative people who are vocal
about certain aspects are with regard to the general buying public.

Jan.
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I think your being a little unreasonable, a simple analog joystick would do
the job, even second hand would cost about $5-$10

keyboards aren't for sims :)

Ash
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It's merely something that I believe would give back full control to
non-wheel drivers, doing away with the need for Traction Control and
Anti-Lock Brakes.

But don't worry Jan, I guarantee you that nothing will ever come of
this. NASCAR Thunder will pick up the slack in this area, and have
already done so to a great extent. :)

-Will

I just map the throttle and brake to the two buttons on it. Give NASCAR
Heat a try with a joystick(cudos to it's dev's), they've gotten it down
to a near science.

It's a terrible habit from NASCAR Racing 2, yet it's how I'm comfortable
with driving in any sim with this wretched thing. :)

-Will

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alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

   It gives you the benefit of putting steering and throttle/brake on
separate sticks, handled by separate hands, making it less confusing
to coordinate.  Not to mention full analog control of throttle and
brake.

   One downside is the inability to have separate axes for throttle &
brake (no tapping the brake to set the car in turns while you still
have some throttle on).

   When I got NASCAR 1, I found that using the buttons on a single
stick would no longer cut it (you could get away with it in ICR1).

   Change is good.  :)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

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Anyway, just buy a set of pedals and Y-connector them to the joystick.

Kudos to Papy for standing on their motorsport values.

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In the case of a simulation like GPL the use of wheel and pedals is the
only way to get full enjoyment, imo. The feeling of immersion just isn't
there when using buttons, or a stick, come to that. Well, not for me anyway.

Gerry