rec.autos.simulators

yes, and thank god for that, but this still doesn't change the fact
that its plain stupid not to have anything on front of those walls.
Its so easy to do it (especially in the inside walls)

F1 is boring as hell, but thats because the people controlling things
don't know shit about racing. I love Cart racing, and I wouldn't even
watch F1, if I weren't a big Schumi fan.

Why, and wait for another driver to get killed?

The cars in Cart are safe as hell, and the safety crews are amongst
(if not THE) best in the world. But its so simple and cheap to put up
tirewalls.

Nobody would watch Cart if it wasn't dangerous, but theres no reason
to be wreckless.

Look at laguna. You come drivin straight at a wall when you aproach
the screw, but there where only 1 or 2 rows of tires, thats simply not
enough - another life lost.

Nobody want's Cart to be like F1. And f1 isn't boring because of the
passive safety in the tracks. Its boring because the coverning body
changes the wrong thing on the cars. If they put slicks back on the
cars, and removed some of the aurodynamical helps, ie make the wings
smaller. (I'm no expert - that just makes sence to me, more mechanical
grip - a more stable car. Less wing, less problems with slipstreaming)

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I've never said that Americans are stupid. But you have to agree with
ne on the fact that you do have some of the most dangerous tracks in
use today.

Everything helps. Its just a matter of how much is needed at a certain
speed. Its always easy to come up with the answer to a problem, after
its happened. But on all other tracks around the world you see
tirewalls, why not on all the ovals to?

Yes, I do apologize for that one (I was really pissed at the time) I
did not wan't to come with a stupid remark like that, but hey on the
other hand if you look at what tracks have the least passive safety
they are "american". But yes, the correct word would have been track
owners and / or race promoters - sorry about that.

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I know that the way he hit the wall, was very bad (damn, can't really
shake the image :( ) but tire/waterwalls _have_ saved lives before.

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I don't think Americans are stupid, lets get that thing cleared up. It
should have said - Track owners, race promoters, and so on. I'm sorry
about that.

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We will all miss Greg Moore

Blaine Bett

On 1 Nov 1999 01:56:55 GMT, "DAVID "

You jumped on a tragedy and inflicted your condescending drivel on the
rest of us as if we haven't a clue how to go about tying our own shoes
never mind looking at the incident rationally to work to keep it from
happening again.  Your boorish "When will you Americans ever learn"
approach certainly didn't help, but your overall approach was like
walking into a funeral and criticizing the family for buying the car in
which the kid killed himself.

Now is the time to start campaigning for CART to start racing in padded
tubes with closed circuit TV so the spectators can watch.  That will not
only protect the drivers from crashing into walls, but protect the
spectators as well.

We can start working on wrap-around crash cages so that the chance of
anyone getting hurt by car-to-car collisions within the tubes is
reduced.  Fire can be eliminated by piping high pressure foam and inert
gasses into the tube at the first sign of smoke, and the drivers can be
suspended in high-tech padding inside their cars with room left for foot
and arm movement.  All other controls can be taken care of by telemetry
from the pits as a driver requests it based on the information displayed
on his helmet HUD.  Racing in tubes will also eliminate sun glare.

The most dangerous time in a race is during high-speed passing, so why I
don't understand why the rules of engagement aren't changed.  Perhaps
when Michael wants to pass Paul, Mike calls the officials on his helmet
radio and asks for permission to pass Paul.  The official can roll a die
and, based on a chart, can decide whether or not Mike can pass Paul.  If
so, then Paul must allow the pass in the safest manner possible while
still providing a show for the fans.

Get the point yet?

Dave

Dave

    Yes Ronnie,you really pissed me off with that one. And American
tracks,racing associations,driver associations,and insurance companies have
done quite a lot in terms of improving safety.

Joel Willstein

Expertise? Sure you have to be real clever to see that grass does not
slow down a car, and a clean wall does a pretty poor job if absorbing
impact.

Of course its always easy to look at thing in hindsigt, but nobody
cares about a "Better safety" discussion until someone dies. The big
change ind F1 saftety didn't start until Ratzenberger and Senna died.
Ok so I make a comment about safety after Greg died... and you flame
for it. I just think its sad that people have do die for the passive
safety around tracks (nevermind on the cars) is improved. 3 people
where killed at Michican before the fencing was made higher. GR had to
die at Laguna for 2 or 3 more rows of tires to be placed at the
corkscrew. And you blame ME for only looking with hindsight.

EH?! Greg died, because

1) He was driving at 200+mph at the time of the crash ie
2) The grass didn't do shit to stop the car and
3) it dumped the car around, making him hit a
4) wall with no padding at all
5) way to fast.

I've never said that Americans are stupid (but sometimes I do wonder
why its so hard for some to understand this) i just said that the
safety is to bad. People have been saying this for years.

When will you learn then? "You" have some of the safest cars, the best
safety crews and so on. Why not start working some more on the
prevention of accidents instead of the cure? A simple cheap
tirebarrier is all I ask for.

<snip - ridiculous babble>

*Shaking head*

If the Nascars have restrictors on that keep them from driving to fast
on the big ovals, why don't the cart's have the same? Who cares if
they are running at 240 or 180mph? People wanna see close racing, at
these speed - hell they can't even see whats happening.

I agree with you on the fact that nobody wan't to see it if it ain't
interresting, and thrilling. But thats no reason not to make the
tracks safer. It would be a shame to put chicanes on everywhere, but
bigger run offs would do a lot of good.

I can't see any reason to continue this argument, because this ain't
gonna get any of us anywhere. If you can't accept the fact that I
belive that most of the tracks on the calendar could do with better
safety then thats ok, nothing I can do about that - but lets just hope
that someone does react.

Racing should be just that - Racing. not Boring and sertainly not
***y.

Safety has come a long way, but it sure ain't as good as it could be.

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no padding wouldnt help,  You can die by diving into water and that is real
soft, look at the plane that crashed an killed 217,  When you go past a
certain speed point nothing will help you except to slow down is the only
solution