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by **Ronnie Peders** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
impactreducing material...

I don't wanna flame the "american" way, but hey who has the most
dangerous tracks in the world?

I would like to send my prayers and condolences to the family and
friends of GM.

--

Cheers
RP

E-mail: rp at post1 dot com

by **DOO..** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Well it sure as heck makes sense to me!!! I feel sick right now after
watching CART Today. I am just very sad, and if it could have been
prevented by Tires or Waterbarriers than shame on us. Let not let it
happen again!!!

>How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
>learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

>Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
>impactreducing material...

>I don't wanna flame the "american" way, but hey who has the most
>dangerous tracks in the world?

>I would like to send my prayers and condolences to the family and
>friends of GM.

>--

>Cheers
>RP

>E-mail: rp at post1 dot com

by **Jeff Murchison J** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

I do believe they need to do more with the walls but even if they did what
you said Greg Moore would still have lost his life. The car was going close
to 220MPH when it hit the wall, the G-force alone killed him.

--
Jeff Murchison JR
Screamers League Admin
www.abraxis.com/jmurch
My Xterra
www.abraxis.com/jmurch/xterra

by **g_majo** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

I agree, maybe its the cars that need to be improved, airbags or something

by **don hodgdo** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Watch the replay again, it had nothing to do with the barrier. Richie Hearn
had the identical spin and contact with the same wall about 15 minutes
earlier and walked away. What killed Greg was the way the car hit the wall.
Richie was fortunate that his car straightened out before he hit the edge of
the service road, Greg's did not, the tires caught the berm and the car was
pitched over into the wall. The way the car hit, water barrels or tire walls
wouldn't have made any difference. This is the area that needs to be looked
into by CART. Gonzolo's death was also caused by the car getting airborne
and hitting a previously sufficient barrier at an odd angle. An extra tire
barrier might have helped in Gonzolo's case, but in over 30 years, there
hadn't been a incident of that type in that corner. Unfortunatly, sometimes
we must learn from our mistakes.

It's time to get CART off of the superspeedways. I was at the track this
weekend. I love to watch these cars at their limit, but this is too high a
price to pay.

Godspeed Greg, we'll miss you.

don

>How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
>learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

>Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
>impactreducing material...

>I don't wanna flame the "american" way, but hey who has the most
>dangerous tracks in the world?

>I would like to send my prayers and condolences to the family and
>friends of GM.

>--

>Cheers
>RP

>E-mail: rp at post1 dot com

by **Kevin McFerri** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

As an amatuer racer, I too was very much shocked and saddened by what
happened to Greg Moore today, as I was by what happened to Gonzalo Rodriguez
recently. However, I truly believe that both of these situations were freak
accidents, and that CART goes quite a long way towards ensuring the safety
at their events.
That being said though, I would still like to see some more improvements
in track safety at the superspeedways. Even Indianapolis has installed an
impact reducing barrier at the exit to turn four on the inside, and it
certainly helped (just ask Aurie Luyendyk about his IROC accident last
year). A similar modification was made to Rio several years ago and it also
proved useful on several occasions.

by **Bob Curti** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

> How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
> learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

> Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
> impactreducing material...

Save your self-righteous bull. Half the safety measures now in F1 were
first instituted by CART. Besides, maybe we stupid Americans don't want
to turn CART into the same trolley race that F1 has become.

The hell you don't. If that were true, you'd keep your flapping maw
shut. You picked a great time to climb up on your soapbox and spout
your sophomoric drivel. Couldn't wait until Greg cooled a bit could
you.

Yeah. Cheers my ass.

--
Bob Curtin
Worcester Area Strategy & Tactics Exchange
http://www.tiac.net/users/ten10ths/
"If God had intended men to join the Army he would have given us green,
baggy skin"

by **m mille** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

> > How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
> > learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

> > Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
> > impactreducing material...

Please enlighten me, as a simple minded American I don't pretend to know
everything. Exacltly what kind of material can be put in front of a wall
that can prevent life threatening injuries when the wall is hit helmet first
at about 240 mph?

You don't want flames...Then maybe you should have replaced the word
"American" with "track owners" or "race promoters".

I too, will be sending my prayer to Greg Moore's family and friends.

mike miller

by **Daxe Rexfor** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

>How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
>learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?
>I don't wanna flame the "american" way, but hey who has the most
>dangerous tracks in the world?

I may be a stupid American, but at least I know the difference between lose
and loose.

~daxe

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by **speedrace** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Why couldn't you put snadtraps on the insides of the ovals, such as where
greg and richie went off. It could have slowed them down considerably more,
when you hit that grass, there is absolutely no deceleration at all. I know
it wouldn't look as pretty, but I think it would be a hell of a lot safer.

by **marcc** » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

>> How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
>> learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

>> Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
>> impactreducing material...

>Save your self-righteous bull.

Too damn true! Death sells, and those guys drive fast because of the
tension of getting killed. What an adrenaline rush. Why take death
away from motor racing? That's what everyone wants in their
subconciousness! If they didn't want to live in the fear of dying,
they wouldn't be driving.

/sarcasm

by **DAVI** » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

The cars already have a bunch of padding to keep the driver from moving
about. For years Cart has had Ford doing studies on accidents.
Unfortunately you cannot always controls what happens in an accident and
someone pays for it. Jeff Kronsoff did and now Greg Moore. I feel for
both of their families, but also I understand Greg Moore got into that car
and ran the race today, knowing of the hazards that lay out there for him.

David Robinson.

by **Kevin Anderso** » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I feel CART has no business racing on some of the tracks in the schedule.
The road courses are fine, and the street races usually have lower speeds,
so they are ok. But these high speed Nascar tracks should not have these
cart cars on them at the speeds they run. It is too dangerous for both
driver and fans.

--
Kevin Anderson

ICQ # 6769389

by **Kevin Anderso** » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

You guys will always find something to fight about

--
Kevin Anderson

ICQ # 6769389

> > > How many young drivers have to loose their lives, before americans
> > > learn that you put tires or waterbarriers in front of walls?

> > > Its absolutely absurd that the inside walls don't have any
> > > impactreducing material...

> Please enlighten me, as a simple minded American I don't pretend to know
> everything. Exacltly what kind of material can be put in front of a wall
> that can prevent life threatening injuries when the wall is hit helmet
first
> at about 240 mph?

> > > I don't wanna flame the "american" way, but hey who has the most
> > > dangerous tracks in the world?

> You don't want flames...Then maybe you should have replaced the word
> "American" with "track owners" or "race promoters".

> > > I would like to send my prayers and condolences to the family and
> > > friends of GM.

> > > --

> > > Cheers
> > > RP

> I too, will be sending my prayer to Greg Moore's family and friends.

> mike miller

by **Ronnie Peders** » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:46:07 -0800, "don hodgdon"

>The way the car hit, water barrels or tire walls
>wouldn't have made any difference.

Can we agree on the fact that the impact when hittin a tirewall as not
as *** as when hitting a clean wall.

In adition to that, we could start talking about why we have all that
grass all over the place, asphalt or even a graveltrap would be much
better en stoping the cars, and asphalt wouldn't flip the cars over...

--

Cheers
RP

E-mail: rp at post1 dot com

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