rec.autos.simulators

by **Don Hancock (** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
I know I would (at the right price). I don't care so much about it
being an ACTUAL track since I've never been to a WC track except Sears Point
anyway, but I know there are others out there that feel differently. You
know who you are: the guys who can recite driver, number, make and finishing
position for every driver since 1950 (or whenever)... You guys who KNOW
that flagstand wasn't right _there_ in 1967... So do you diehards care
whether it's ACTUALLY Daytona (or wherever) and not something like Red Rock?
What's a fair price? $5 per track? If there's 10 tracks, would you pay
$20?

Gunner

by **Alan** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
>N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
>...
>Gunner

I would buy an expansion pack like that, as long as they were realistic, no
caves with lava rivers and such. Tracks like those in GT1 and GT2 would work
very well thank you.

Alan

by **Chris Arnd** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

You got ripped off if you payed 65 dollars, I bought N3 the day it was
released off Sierra's website for 49.95

--

Chris Arndt
===============================
1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
"All I can do on a given day is put myself
in a position to win, and let circumstances
dictate the outcome"
-Richard Petty
http://CArndt.tripod.com

> I'd certainly buy more road race tracks for GPL, but why do they have to
be
> fantasy tracks? There were lots of other excellent road courses around in
> '67 that just weren't used that season (Aintree, Barcelona, Hockenheim,
> Clermont-Ferrand, Mont Tremblant, Zeltwig), that would be great for racing
> GPL on.

> If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road
course
> from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the Corkscrew!),
> Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks
having
> the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

> I bought N3 for $65 Can just so I could have the 8 tracks for GPL, and I
> don't even like ovals! If I could get some of the classic old tracks, or
> some of the great ones from more recent times for GPL, I'd be willing to
> spend a reasonable amount.

> Kevin Caldwell
> Calgary, Canada

> > How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
> > N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
> > I know I would (at the right price). I don't care so much about it
> > being an ACTUAL track since I've never been to a WC track except Sears
> Point
> > anyway, but I know there are others out there that feel differently.
You
> > know who you are: the guys who can recite driver, number, make and
> finishing
> > position for every driver since 1950 (or whenever)... You guys who KNOW
> > that flagstand wasn't right _there_ in 1967... So do you diehards care
> > whether it's ACTUALLY Daytona (or wherever) and not something like Red
> Rock?
> > What's a fair price? $5 per track? If there's 10 tracks, would you
> pay
> > $20?

> > Gunner

by **bobb** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

lava rivers LOL
pretty good alan.

> >How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
> >N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
> >...
> >Gunner

> I would buy an expansion pack like that, as long as they were realistic,
no
> caves with lava rivers and such. Tracks like those in GT1 and GT2 would
work
> very well thank you.

> Alan

by **Joel Willstei** » Tue, 04 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Speaking strickly for myself, I never really cared for fantasy tracks.
I much rather race on tracks I've read about, or seen races on. It just adds
to the full sim experience for me.

Joel Willstein

by **Kevi** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I'd certainly buy more road race tracks for GPL, but why do they have to be
fantasy tracks? There were lots of other excellent road courses around in
'67 that just weren't used that season (Aintree, Barcelona, Hockenheim,
Clermont-Ferrand, Mont Tremblant, Zeltwig), that would be great for racing
GPL on.

If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road course
from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the Corkscrew!),
Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks having
the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

I bought N3 for $65 Can just so I could have the 8 tracks for GPL, and I
don't even like ovals! If I could get some of the classic old tracks, or
some of the great ones from more recent times for GPL, I'd be willing to
spend a reasonable amount.

Kevin Caldwell
Calgary, Canada

by **Doug Hoo** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

He said it was $65 Canadian Dollars.

> You got ripped off if you payed 65 dollars, I bought N3 the day it was
> released off Sierra's website for 49.95

> --

> Chris Arndt
> ===============================
> 1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
> 1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
> "All I can do on a given day is put myself
> in a position to win, and let circumstances
> dictate the outcome"
> -Richard Petty
> http://CArndt.tripod.com

> > I'd certainly buy more road race tracks for GPL, but why do they have to
> be
> > fantasy tracks? There were lots of other excellent road courses around
in
> > '67 that just weren't used that season (Aintree, Barcelona, Hockenheim,
> > Clermont-Ferrand, Mont Tremblant, Zeltwig), that would be great for
racing
> > GPL on.

> > If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road
> course
> > from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the
Corkscrew!),
> > Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks
> having
> > the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

> > I bought N3 for $65 Can just so I could have the 8 tracks for GPL, and I
> > don't even like ovals! If I could get some of the classic old tracks, or
> > some of the great ones from more recent times for GPL, I'd be willing to
> > spend a reasonable amount.

> > Kevin Caldwell
> > Calgary, Canada

> > > How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
> > > N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
> > > I know I would (at the right price). I don't care so much about
it
> > > being an ACTUAL track since I've never been to a WC track except Sears
> > Point
> > > anyway, but I know there are others out there that feel differently.
> You
> > > know who you are: the guys who can recite driver, number, make and
> > finishing
> > > position for every driver since 1950 (or whenever)... You guys who
KNOW
> > > that flagstand wasn't right _there_ in 1967... So do you diehards
care
> > > whether it's ACTUALLY Daytona (or wherever) and not something like Red
> > Rock?
> > > What's a fair price? $5 per track? If there's 10 tracks, would
you
> > pay
> > > $20?

> > > Gunner

by **Kierstea** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

$65 Canadian isn't a rip-off. It's about $45 US.
BTW, I bought it the other day for $54 Canadian..about $35 US.

Cheers

>You got ripped off if you payed 65 dollars, I bought N3 the day it was
>released off Sierra's website for 49.95

>--

>Chris Arndt
>===============================
>1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
>1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
>"All I can do on a given day is put myself
>in a position to win, and let circumstances
>dictate the outcome"

by **Jalo** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I would buy it, as long as it was done well. I think it would sell better if
it had a couple of "real" tracks.

by **Stif** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I got ripped off ($69.00 CDN funds)

> He said it was $65 Canadian Dollars.

> > You got ripped off if you payed 65 dollars, I bought N3 the day it was
> > released off Sierra's website for 49.95

> > --

> > Chris Arndt
> > ===============================
> > 1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
> > 1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
> > "All I can do on a given day is put myself
> > in a position to win, and let circumstances
> > dictate the outcome"
> > -Richard Petty
> > http://CArndt.tripod.com

> > > I'd certainly buy more road race tracks for GPL, but why do they have
to
> > be
> > > fantasy tracks? There were lots of other excellent road courses around
> in
> > > '67 that just weren't used that season (Aintree, Barcelona,
Hockenheim,
> > > Clermont-Ferrand, Mont Tremblant, Zeltwig), that would be great for
> racing
> > > GPL on.

> > > If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road
> > course
> > > from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the
> Corkscrew!),
> > > Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks
> > having
> > > the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

> > > I bought N3 for $65 Can just so I could have the 8 tracks for GPL, and
I
> > > don't even like ovals! If I could get some of the classic old tracks,
or
> > > some of the great ones from more recent times for GPL, I'd be willing
to
> > > spend a reasonable amount.

> > > Kevin Caldwell
> > > Calgary, Canada

> > > > How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
> > > > N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
> > > > I know I would (at the right price). I don't care so much about
> it
> > > > being an ACTUAL track since I've never been to a WC track except
Sears
> > > Point
> > > > anyway, but I know there are others out there that feel differently.
> > You
> > > > know who you are: the guys who can recite driver, number, make and
> > > finishing
> > > > position for every driver since 1950 (or whenever)... You guys who
> KNOW
> > > > that flagstand wasn't right _there_ in 1967... So do you diehards
> care
> > > > whether it's ACTUALLY Daytona (or wherever) and not something like
Red
> > > Rock?
> > > > What's a fair price? $5 per track? If there's 10 tracks, would
> you
> > > pay
> > > > $20?

> > > > Gunner

by **Eldre** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road course
>from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the Corkscrew!),
>Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks having
>the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

I think the esses of Kyalami is very similar to the Corkscrew. The elevation
change isn't as drastic, but the feel is the same...

Eldred
--
Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999
Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

by **Vintoo** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Notice the Can next to the Dollar amount. That means Canadian.

Vintook

> You got ripped off if you payed 65 dollars, I bought N3 the day it was
> released off Sierra's website for 49.95

> --

> Chris Arndt
> ===============================
> 1999 FSSPRO BGN Champion
> 1999 ISR Shootout Runner up
> "All I can do on a given day is put myself
> in a position to win, and let circumstances
> dictate the outcome"
> -Richard Petty
> http://CArndt.tripod.com

> > I'd certainly buy more road race tracks for GPL, but why do they have to
> be
> > fantasy tracks? There were lots of other excellent road courses around
in
> > '67 that just weren't used that season (Aintree, Barcelona, Hockenheim,
> > Clermont-Ferrand, Mont Tremblant, Zeltwig), that would be great for
racing
> > GPL on.

> > If we have to stray further from realism, how about some of the road
> course
> > from more recent years, like Laguna Seca (I'd love to try the
Corkscrew!),
> > Estoril, Brno, or Suzuka. I have trouble imagining any fantasy tracks
> having
> > the quality or the intrigue of driving the real ones.

> > I bought N3 for $65 Can just so I could have the 8 tracks for GPL, and I
> > don't even like ovals! If I could get some of the classic old tracks, or
> > some of the great ones from more recent times for GPL, I'd be willing to
> > spend a reasonable amount.

> > Kevin Caldwell
> > Calgary, Canada

> > > How many out there would settle for a Fantasy Track Pack for
> > > N3/NL/GPL/Viper - hell ANY of them!!
> > > I know I would (at the right price). I don't care so much about
it
> > > being an ACTUAL track since I've never been to a WC track except Sears
> > Point
> > > anyway, but I know there are others out there that feel differently.
> You
> > > know who you are: the guys who can recite driver, number, make and
> > finishing
> > > position for every driver since 1950 (or whenever)... You guys who
KNOW
> > > that flagstand wasn't right _there_ in 1967... So do you diehards
care
> > > whether it's ACTUALLY Daytona (or wherever) and not something like Red
> > Rock?
> > > What's a fair price? $5 per track? If there's 10 tracks, would
you
> > pay
> > > $20?

> > > Gunner

by **Don Hancock (** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

> Speaking strickly for myself, I never really cared for fantasy tracks.
>I much rather race on tracks I've read about, or seen races on. It just
adds
>to the full sim experience for me.

>Joel Willstein

I agree with that, but what I was feebly attempting to avert to was the
fact that just about EVERY "real" race track wants royalties of some sort.
After you do that with 5 or 10 tracks it adds VERY quickly to the bottom
line cost of the add-on making it prohibitively expensive.
Fantasy tracks require no royalties, so they can be "made" more cheaply,
therefore more tracks could be done for the same amount of money (assuming
the designers actually DID that).
So to restate the question: is "more" better or is "real" better? How
much better is one over the other - for example would you pay more for 3
real tracks than 10 fantasy tracks?

Gunner

by **kcaldwel** » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

>How
> much better is one over the other - for example would you pay more for 3
> real tracks than 10 fantasy tracks?

> Gunner

Yes.

by AM » Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Surely they don't have to, but higher production costs will inevitably
translate into higher retail prices. It would require some SERIOUS
research to come up with faithful and worthy reacreations of some of the
60's race tracks. If any ambition at all would be put into the attempt,
the amount of work would be immense. Tho I'm sure many simmers would be
more than willing to cough up the moola for those "real" tracks.

Personally I don't really care if it's real or a product of someone's
imagination. One should keep in mind that building a real life race track
is - like any big construction undertaking - subject to many constraints;
physical, financial, aesthetical, ethical, etc. and will thus inevitably
be a sum of many compromises. The greatest race tracks will only be built
in the minds of the track designers.

---
Antti Markus Peteri

15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away

- Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

rec.autos.simulators

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?

Settle for "Fantasy Track Pack"?