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British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

amos-opu

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by amos-opu » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00

cricket?...way, WAY to *** for me.......

sudesh


> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:41:47 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"

> >I think that the entire WORLD can do without cricket, Kai! :-)

> Thou speakest heresy!!!

> Martin D. Pay
> Are we sufficiently off-topic yet?  ^_^

Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:00:00


I can understand that. There were two years that were a bit on the dark side
for Lotus at Indy.

'64 wasn't *directly* Chapman's fault. He did make the tire choice though.

'69 was Chapman's fault. The front hub carriers  on the cars weren't up to
the loads imposed by 4WD. Both Andretti and Rindt had a front wheel come off
at speed.

I remember an interview with A.J. Foyt where he said the single greatest bit
of driving he ever saw was Rindt taking what little control he had over his
car and diliberately putting it into the wall in as controlled a manner as
possible.

Havn't you even seen footage of Andretti's crash? The one that leaves him
sitting in the middle of the track, in just his seat, and NOTHING left of
the car? That was the 64.

They were banned from the track before qualifying and thus many histories
skip them.

If you've got, or can get hold of, a copy of Setright's Grand Prix 1906-1972
you'll find a brief treatment of it. The autobiography that Andretti wrote
shortly after his Indy win in his short track car deals with it, as do many
Andretti bios.

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Thanks for the information, Kevin.
The "Team Lotus" book certainly covers the 1969 period in depth, (including
the STP and the Ford involvements) and the Type 64, but, as I mentioned,
there is no reference to the Type 63 whatsoever. (I double-checked!)

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> > Aah!  Okay on that.  Strange, but the book by Andrew Ferguson ("Team
> Lotus -
> > The Indianapolis Years") makes no mention of the Type 63.......or if it
> does
> > then it's buried deep within a short phrase somewhere! :-)
> > Thanks for the clarification.

> I can understand that. There were two years that were a bit on the dark
side
> for Lotus at Indy.

> '64 wasn't *directly* Chapman's fault. He did make the tire choice though.

> '69 was Chapman's fault. The front hub carriers  on the cars weren't up to
> the loads imposed by 4WD. Both Andretti and Rindt had a front wheel come
off
> at speed.

> I remember an interview with A.J. Foyt where he said the single greatest
bit
> of driving he ever saw was Rindt taking what little control he had over
his
> car and diliberately putting it into the wall in as controlled a manner as
> possible.

> Havn't you even seen footage of Andretti's crash? The one that leaves him
> sitting in the middle of the track, in just his seat, and NOTHING left of
> the car? That was the 64.

> They were banned from the track before qualifying and thus many histories
> skip them.

> If you've got, or can get hold of, a copy of Setright's Grand Prix
1906-1972
> you'll find a brief treatment of it. The autobiography that Andretti wrote
> shortly after his Indy win in his short track car deals with it, as do
many
> Andretti bios.

Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Wish I had a scanner. I'd zap you couple of B&W pics. As I recall, I can't
come up with a source at the moment, all my old R&Ts and half my books are
in boxes at the moment, it only ran at Silverstone. Rindt drove it in
practice and refused to have anything more to do with it. I belive, but
don't quote me on this one, that Ken Miles actually drove it in the race and
retired.

The car was never seen on a racetrack again as all development switched to
the 72 in order to keep Rindt happy.

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well, if you CAN ever get some scans done...even some OCR of the text, I'd
be most grateful.
In the meantime I'll see if I can dig something up from other sources.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> > Thanks for the information, Kevin.
> > The "Team Lotus" book certainly covers the 1969 period in depth,
> (including
> > the STP and the Ford involvements) and the Type 64, but, as I mentioned,
> > there is no reference to the Type 63 whatsoever. (I double-checked!)

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------

> Wish I had a scanner. I'd zap you couple of B&W pics. As I recall, I can't
> come up with a source at the moment, all my old R&Ts and half my books are
> in boxes at the moment, it only ran at Silverstone. Rindt drove it in
> practice and refused to have anything more to do with it. I belive, but
> don't quote me on this one, that Ken Miles actually drove it in the race
and
> retired.

> The car was never seen on a racetrack again as all development switched to
> the 72 in order to keep Rindt happy.


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