rec.autos.simulators

by **m.seer** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed at
Goodwood.

I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged (1969)
Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing post at
100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his life.

In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a series of
photos showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver lost
control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario Andretti
drove" !!

These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

My condolences to the bereaved.

MS

by **Ken McDanie** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Unfortunately Mark, people pay money to read about others tragedies. Until
the public stops paying for this kind of reporting, these articles will
continue. Perhaps a mass response to the editor from all who were offended
at their work would be in order.......
--
Ken
http://BovineRacing.com

by **Kai Fulle** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the best in
motorsports of the time.

I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is safer
than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now I
don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see Bruce's
post above.

Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that these
things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a professional
F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone dies
racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get some
answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone or
another?

by **m.seer** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The reporting was not the problem Ken. It was the graphical nature of the
photography that was disturbing and I'm sure to many, distressing.

MS

> Unfortunately Mark, people pay money to read about others tragedies. Until
> the public stops paying for this kind of reporting, these articles will
> continue. Perhaps a mass response to the editor from all who were offended
> at their work would be in order.......
> --
> Ken
> http://BovineRacing.com

by **John Fryat** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular' press
coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until there's a
crash, then they're all over it.

On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people are
not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around. They
are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone would
be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice. You
try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of the day
it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
condolences also to the bereaved.

John

> you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the best
in
> motorsports of the time.

> I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
safer
> than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now I
> don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
Bruce's
> post above.

> Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that these
> things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a professional
> F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone dies
> racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get some
> answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone or
> another?

> > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed at
> > Goodwood.

> > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
(1969)
> > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing post
at
> > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his life.

> > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a series of
> > photos showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver lost
> > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> Andretti
> > drove" !!

> > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > MS

by **John Booke** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, mine too, but lets not forget the two officials and thier families.
We marshals do NOT get paid, and are there for the love of hte sport, very
much the unsung heros and in situations like this, totally forgotten. We
accept that motorsport is dangerous by no one wants or expects this type of
accident to occur.

John Booker.
--
Member of Victorian Flagmarshalling Team
CAMS Accredited Official F3 O3 U3
Produciton crewmember of In Pit Lane, Channel 31, Melbourne
AKA The man with the green flag when Lowndes rotated at Calder

by **Kai Fulle** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I didn't intend to say these guys aren't good drivers, I'm just saying that
the best of the time died doing this, so even if these guys are as good as
Clark (which they might be, who knows if they got the chance in a time
warp...) but that they made major changes to F1 over the years to make it
much safer. It seems kind of lame to me to go back to a dangerous time just
for entertainments sake. Wouldn't these drivers be just as served by racing
newer safer cars? say based on the older cars? Do they at least have seat
belts now?

> Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular'
press
> coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until there's
a
> crash, then they're all over it.

> > It's one think when a professional
> > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
dies
> > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people are
> not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around.
They
> are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone would
> be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
> Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice. You
> try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of the
day
> it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

> Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
> condolences also to the bereaved.

> John

> > you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the best
> in
> > motorsports of the time.

> > I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
> safer
> > than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now I
> > don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
> Bruce's
> > post above.

> > Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that these
> > things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a
professional
> > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
dies
> > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get some
> > answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone
or
> > another?

> > > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed at
> > > Goodwood.

> > > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
> (1969)
> > > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing
post
> at
> > > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his
life.

> > > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a series
of
> > > photos showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver lost
> > > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> > Andretti
> > > drove" !!

> > > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > > MS

by **Kai Fulle** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

your right I've never seen it in person, so that's why I asked it all in a
form of a question. Although I don't think it's worth it just for the fans,
I think that if the driver wants to do it he should have all the right, and
if fans want to watch that's great.

by **Ken McDanie** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Right Mark, but the photos they published were part of the reporting style
of tabloid magazines. We get the same graphic kind of publications in the US
too. The Princes Dy stuff was awful. I agree, it is not the reporting of a
tragedy that is a problem, but the way it is presented....

--
Ken
http://BovineRacing.com

by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Kai,

Sorry to put it this way, but I'm sure if you'd actually seen these cars
being driven your response would be quite different.

Their shape, the way the look on track, the way they sound, the way they
smell. The experience is a thousand times richer than seeing one in a museum
somewhere. These cars are meant to be driven. And this is just the viewpoint
standing trackside. Imagine driving one.

People who own these cars are enthousiasts, the people who drive them are
skilled racers, doing what they like doing best. I am sure they are aware of
the dangers, but I doubt any of them feel vunerable in the car. Having raced
a little myself and having driven some seriously powerful cars (make friends
with racers and car journo's and wait for scraps falling off the table <g>),
I can imagine drivers having some apprehension, but once behind the wheel
not doubting their ability to control the car.

A deeply tragic occurance, of course and my thoughts go out to the
respective families, but I'm sure the owner/driver looked forward to driving
his Lotus around Goodwood for months in advance and thoroughly enjoyed every
second of his track time up until the accident.

It seems we humans enjoy inherently dangerous activities. They make us feel
"alive", even if experienced 2nd hand and I, for one, think the richness of
life would be reduced if the opportunity were taken away from us.

Jan.
=---

by **Todd Sorense** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

So, because the photography was disturbing, you feel these people should be
taken out and shot at dawn? Or did I misread what you typed?

> The reporting was not the problem Ken. It was the graphical nature of the
> photography that was disturbing and I'm sure to many, distressing.

> MS

> > Unfortunately Mark, people pay money to read about others tragedies.
Until
> > the public stops paying for this kind of reporting, these articles will
> > continue. Perhaps a mass response to the editor from all who were
offended
> > at their work would be in order.......
> > --
> > Ken
> > http://BovineRacing.com

by **David Butte** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

Believe me, those drivers aren't pressured into driving. No-one's
making them come to Goodwood. They do it because they love it. Anyone
who's been in the paddock at an occasion like this will have been
convinced of the sheer enjoyment they feel.

The UK has the best classic/historic motorsport scene in the world, and
a lot of that is because of the enthusiasm of the people who matter.
Can you honestly see anything like Goodwood (either the Festival of
Speed or the circuit meeting) happening anywhere else?

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Txl** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I'm surprised it took you so long to realise that...

by **Zonk** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Is this a GM Mutated copy of the Daily Mirror or the Sun- Egads!

Well, to be honest, it's pretty high brow for the Sun, similarly for the
Mirror.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

by **John Fryat** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

John,

Yes, you are quite right. I do understand about marshals, as I know a couple
of people who have done some in the past. It isn't the 'glamorous' role of
the driver, but without it you couldn't really have any sensible motorsport.

Incidentally, is this a British thing? Are marshals unpaid amateurs (*) in
other countries?

All the best, John

* - amateur in the positive sense of doing something for the love of it, not
for money.

> > Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular'
> press
> > coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until
there's
> a
> > crash, then they're all over it.

> > > It's one think when a professional
> > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
> dies
> > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people
are
> > not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around.
> They
> > are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone
would
> > be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
> > Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice.
You
> > try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of the
> day
> > it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

> > Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
> > condolences also to the bereaved.

> Yeah, mine too, but lets not forget the two officials and thier families.
> We marshals do NOT get paid, and are there for the love of hte sport, very
> much the unsung heros and in situations like this, totally forgotten. We
> accept that motorsport is dangerous by no one wants or expects this type
of
> accident to occur.

> John Booker.
> --
> Member of Victorian Flagmarshalling Team
> CAMS Accredited Official F3 O3 U3
> Produciton crewmember of In Pit Lane, Channel 31, Melbourne
> AKA The man with the green flag when Lowndes rotated at Calder

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