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British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

They did it in 1967, Mark, and there has certainly been no change in the
past 30 years.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> The reporting was not the problem Ken. It was the graphical nature of the
> photography that was disturbing and I'm sure to many, distressing.

> MS


> > Unfortunately Mark, people pay money to read about others tragedies.
Until
> > the public stops paying for this kind of reporting, these articles will
> > continue. Perhaps a mass response to the editor from all who were
offended
> > at their work would be in order.......
> > --
> > Ken
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/


Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

No, Kai...it is NOT "pointless". It is no more pointless than dying in bed
from old age and senility, unable to control your bodily functions and
incapable of remembering the names of your offspring.
These people (amateur racing drivers) are involved in something that they
love doing and which they know can bring injury, or death, if something goes
awry. The fact that they may die in pursuit of their enjoyment is no more
ridiculous than a professional racing driver dying whilst earning his
livelihood.  They are bot doing something that they chose to do.

Life is "pointless", mate. Death is simply the full-stop at the end of the
sentence.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the best
in
> motorsports of the time.

> I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
safer
> than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now I
> don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
Bruce's
> post above.

> Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that these
> things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a professional
> F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone dies
> racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get some
> answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone or
> another?



> > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed at
> > Goodwood.

> > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
(1969)
> > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing post
at
> > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his life.

> > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a series of
> > photos  showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver lost
> > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> Andretti
> > drove" !!

> > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > MS

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

You are missing the point completely, Kai.

They do what they do because they LOVE it and the cars they own and drive.
More modern, safer, cars have little or no interest.  They relate to the
cars that were the stars of F1 (and other forms of motor-sport) when THEY
were younger.  Like myself. And like you might be in 30 years time...you'll
relate more to what is NOW than what will be around in 2030.

That's the way of the world, Kai.  That's called the "generation gap".

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> I didn't intend to say these guys aren't good drivers, I'm just saying
that
> the best of the time died doing this, so even if these guys are as good as
> Clark (which they might be, who knows if they got the chance in a time
> warp...) but that they made major changes to F1 over the years to make it
> much safer. It seems kind of lame to me to go back to a dangerous time
just
> for entertainments sake. Wouldn't these drivers be just as served by
racing
> newer safer cars? say based on the older cars? Do they at least have seat
> belts now?



> > Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular'
> press
> > coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until
there's
> a
> > crash, then they're all over it.

> > > It's one think when a professional
> > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
> dies
> > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people
are
> > not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around.
> They
> > are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone
would
> > be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
> > Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice.
You
> > try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of the
> day
> > it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

> > Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
> > condolences also to the bereaved.

> > John



> > > you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the
best
> > in
> > > motorsports of the time.

> > > I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
> > safer
> > > than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now
I
> > > don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
> > Bruce's
> > > post above.

> > > Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that
these
> > > things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a
> professional
> > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
> dies
> > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > > My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get
some
> > > answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone
> or
> > > another?



> > > > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed
at
> > > > Goodwood.

> > > > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > > > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
> > (1969)
> > > > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing
> post
> > at
> > > > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his
> life.

> > > > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a
series
> of
> > > > photos  showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver
lost
> > > > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > > > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> > > Andretti
> > > > drove" !!

> > > > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > > > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > > > MS

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yes...Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, to name but three.

However, Vintage or Historic Racing in the USA is run in a somewhat
different manner which, in SOME cases, emasculates the performance of the
drivers. (Note that I say "SOME" cases.....not all.)  The attitude is,
however, generally towards the "parade" or "demonstration" type of racing
rather than full-on competition.

Britain is without any shadow of a doubt the hub of the Universe when it
comes to really competing in Vintage, Veteran and Historic motorcars and I
for one applaud their attitude without any hesitation.

One retired racer was asked his opinion some years ago on whether precious
old cars should be raced or simply preserved as static displays.  His
response was without hesitation when he said something to the effect that
they "Should be raced! They can always be repaired, rebuilt, restored".  In
the next breath the interviewer stated that the drivers couldn't always be
repaired though.  "That's not important....we HAVE to die one day.  These
cars don't".

Just about sums it up from my way of looking at it.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------




> >your right I've never seen it in person, so that's why I asked it
> >all in a form of a question. Although I don't think it's worth it
> >just for the fans, I think that if the driver wants to do it he
> >should have all the right, and if fans want to watch that's great.
> <snip>

> Believe me, those drivers aren't pressured into driving. No-one's
> making them come to Goodwood. They do it because they love it. Anyone
> who's been in the paddock at an occasion like this will have been
> convinced of the sheer enjoyment they feel.

> The UK has the best classic/historic motorsport scene in the world, and
> a lot of that is because of the enthusiasm of the people who matter.
> Can you honestly see anything like Goodwood (either the Festival of
> Speed or the circuit meeting) happening anywhere else?

> --
> David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
> "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
> really."
> (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Certainly are in Australia. But then, simply because they are not paid
doesn't make them any the less skilled.

We have an army of unpaid volunteers who have saved lives and property
hundreds of times over.  They're members of the various Bushfire Brigades
who protect us in the summer months.  Then we have the State Emergency
Services, also heavily manned by volunteers.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> John,

> Yes, you are quite right. I do understand about marshals, as I know a
couple
> of people who have done some in the past. It isn't the 'glamorous' role of
> the driver, but without it you couldn't really have any sensible
motorsport.

> Incidentally, is this a British thing? Are marshals unpaid amateurs (*) in
> other countries?

> All the best,   John

> * - amateur in the positive sense of doing something for the love of it,
not
> for money.





> > > Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular'
> > press
> > > coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until
> there's
> > a
> > > crash, then they're all over it.

> > > > It's one think when a professional
> > > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when
someone
> > dies
> > > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > > On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people
> are
> > > not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around.
> > They
> > > are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone
> would
> > > be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
> > > Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice.
> You
> > > try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of
the
> > day
> > > it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

> > > Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
> > > condolences also to the bereaved.

> > Yeah, mine too, but lets not forget the two officials and thier
families.
> > We marshals do NOT get paid, and are there for the love of hte sport,
very
> > much the unsung heros and in situations like this, totally forgotten.
We
> > accept that motorsport is dangerous by no one wants or expects this type
> of
> > accident to occur.

> > John Booker.
> > --
> > Member of Victorian Flagmarshalling Team
> > CAMS Accredited Official F3 O3 U3
> > Produciton crewmember of In Pit Lane, Channel 31, Melbourne
> > AKA The man with the green flag when Lowndes rotated at Calder

Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Just as it was in the time of these cars being raced at the higest level,
the choice to take the risk is that of the driver, and only that of the
driver. I personally support the idea that every *** is free to take
whatever risks he/she feels is personally  appropriate.

Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The reporting was pretty***poor to if they identified the car as a Lotus
49. It was the 4wd 63. This is a SIMILAR car to the one that Andretti drove
in practice at Indy.
Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Marshals are unpaid volunteers. Period. Everywhere, at every level. Even the
marshals at an F1 world championship race are unpaid volunteers.

Kai Fulle

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kai Fulle » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Bruce I'm not saying that they shouldn't allowed to do it or anything, It's
just that I'm having a hard rime understanding that racing isn't racing. I
disagree that I will look back at today's cars and think their cooler than
the new ones. To me, I look back and NASCAR from 4 years ago and realize how
lame the cars looked compared to today. (paintjobs and body style wise)

Back to my point, racing is racing to me, I don't care if it's go carts,
Nascar, Cart, IRL, F1, sportscars, that louge racing at the X games, kids on
tykes or even horses...

I don't have any reason as a spectator to like watch the new cars more than
the old ones as long as it's a good race.

All I'm saying is that wouldn't it be fairly easy to add some simple safety
features without effecting the look and feel of the cars too much?

Again I'm not saying I have anything against the driver or criticizing them,
as it may come a across so just take my word for it.


> You are missing the point completely, Kai.

> They do what they do because they LOVE it and the cars they own and drive.
> More modern, safer, cars have little or no interest.  They relate to the
> cars that were the stars of F1 (and other forms of motor-sport) when THEY
> were younger.  Like myself. And like you might be in 30 years
time...you'll
> relate more to what is NOW than what will be around in 2030.

> That's the way of the world, Kai.  That's called the "generation gap".

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > I didn't intend to say these guys aren't good drivers, I'm just saying
> that
> > the best of the time died doing this, so even if these guys are as good
as
> > Clark (which they might be, who knows if they got the chance in a time
> > warp...) but that they made major changes to F1 over the years to make
it
> > much safer. It seems kind of lame to me to go back to a dangerous time
> just
> > for entertainments sake. Wouldn't these drivers be just as served by
> racing
> > newer safer cars? say based on the older cars? Do they at least have
seat
> > belts now?



> > > Well, I fully understand and agree with the reactions to the 'popular'
> > press
> > > coverage. They don't show too much interest in motor sport, until
> there's
> > a
> > > crash, then they're all over it.

> > > > It's one think when a professional
> > > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when
someone
> > dies
> > > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > > On this point, I don't see the difference, to be honest. These people
> are
> > > not total amateurs who just happen to have an old F1 car lying around.
> > They
> > > are quite 'professional' in their own way. I don't think just anyone
> would
> > > be allowed to run their car at Goodwood.
> > > Motor sprit is dangerous, and all competitors know that. Their choice.
> You
> > > try to make things as safe as reasonably possible, but at the end of
the
> > day
> > > it's a dangerous activity. Hell, life is a dangerous activity.

> > > Neverthe less a sad occasion at a great event (I was there) and my
> > > condolences also to the bereaved.

> > > John



> > > > you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the
> best
> > > in
> > > > motorsports of the time.

> > > > I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it
is
> > > safer
> > > > than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports.
Now
> I
> > > > don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
> > > Bruce's
> > > > post above.

> > > > Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that
> these
> > > > things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a
> > professional
> > > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when
someone
> > dies
> > > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > > > My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get
> some
> > > > answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by
someone
> > or
> > > > another?



> > > > > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed
> at
> > > > > Goodwood.

> > > > > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > > > > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
> > > (1969)
> > > > > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing
> > post
> > > at
> > > > > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his
> > life.

> > > > > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a
> series
> > of
> > > > > photos  showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver
> lost
> > > > > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > > > > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that
Mario
> > > > Andretti
> > > > > drove" !!

> > > > > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > > > > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > > > > MS

Kai Fulle

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kai Fulle » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

ok off-topic here...

I disagree Bruce.

If you die in bed a  old man, the means you've contributed as much to
society as your body would allow. It may not be an ideal end personally, but
I'm a little more concerned about giving the most I can to improve humanity
through my own actions.

Life may not have a point, but it is upon us to give it the point we so
choose. If that persons point was to race that is great, but I would think
safety precautions could always be made to keep this person alive. That's
why I said pointless, when I meant unnecessary, I'm sorry for my poor choice
of words there.

So let me reiterate that I meant, yeah and F1 guy might die because
technology is going faster than safety, but if the car has been out for 50
some years, then by now there should be sufficient knowledge to keep the
driver safe, without effecting the performance of the cars.


> No, Kai...it is NOT "pointless". It is no more pointless than dying in bed
> from old age and senility, unable to control your bodily functions and
> incapable of remembering the names of your offspring.
> These people (amateur racing drivers) are involved in something that they
> love doing and which they know can bring injury, or death, if something
goes
> awry. The fact that they may die in pursuit of their enjoyment is no more
> ridiculous than a professional racing driver dying whilst earning his
> livelihood.  They are bot doing something that they chose to do.

> Life is "pointless", mate. Death is simply the full-stop at the end of the
> sentence.

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------



> > you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the best
> in
> > motorsports of the time.

> > I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
> safer
> > than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now I
> > don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
> Bruce's
> > post above.

> > Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that these
> > things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a
professional
> > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
dies
> > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get some
> > answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone
or
> > another?



> > > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed at
> > > Goodwood.

> > > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
> (1969)
> > > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing
post
> at
> > > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his
life.

> > > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a series
of
> > > photos  showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver lost
> > > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> > Andretti
> > > drove" !!

> > > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > > MS

m.seer

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by m.seer » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

And the fact, as stated that it was the Andretti Lotus!

MS

m.seer

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by m.seer » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Jeez you people take things so literally sometimes!

MS

> So, because the photography was disturbing, you feel these people should
be
> taken out and shot at dawn? Or did I misread what you typed?



> > The reporting was not the problem Ken. It was the graphical nature of
the
> > photography that was disturbing and I'm sure to many, distressing.

> > MS


> > > Unfortunately Mark, people pay money to read about others tragedies.
> Until
> > > the public stops paying for this kind of reporting, these articles
will
> > > continue. Perhaps a mass response to the editor from all who were
> offended
> > > at their work would be in order.......
> > > --
> > > Ken
> > > http://BovineRacing.com


Bruce Kennewel

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00

(snip)
I'm a little more concerned about giving the most I can to improve humanity
through my own actions.
(unsnip)

Very noble of you, Kai. Whilst I certainly don't envy your devotion to this
cause or even wish to emulate it I certainly do respect your aims.  However,
having seen my mother die a lingering death, when she expressed a wish to
"go quickly" some years before, whilst still with full faculties, I have no
wish whatsoever to die in bed an old man.  And the last thing that will
concern me is whether I've improved humanity or not.

I want to die suddenly, preferably enjoying something that I love doing. To
whither away as a burden on my family and those looking after me is NOT my
desire.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------


> ok off-topic here...

> I disagree Bruce.

> If you die in bed a  old man, the means you've contributed as much to
> society as your body would allow. It may not be an ideal end personally,
but
> I'm a little more concerned about giving the most I can to improve
humanity
> through my own actions.

> Life may not have a point, but it is upon us to give it the point we so
> choose. If that persons point was to race that is great, but I would think
> safety precautions could always be made to keep this person alive. That's
> why I said pointless, when I meant unnecessary, I'm sorry for my poor
choice
> of words there.

> So let me reiterate that I meant, yeah and F1 guy might die because
> technology is going faster than safety, but if the car has been out for 50
> some years, then by now there should be sufficient knowledge to keep the
> driver safe, without effecting the performance of the cars.



> > No, Kai...it is NOT "pointless". It is no more pointless than dying in
bed
> > from old age and senility, unable to control your bodily functions and
> > incapable of remembering the names of your offspring.
> > These people (amateur racing drivers) are involved in something that
they
> > love doing and which they know can bring injury, or death, if something
> goes
> > awry. The fact that they may die in pursuit of their enjoyment is no
more
> > ridiculous than a professional racing driver dying whilst earning his
> > livelihood.  They are bot doing something that they chose to do.

> > Life is "pointless", mate. Death is simply the full-stop at the end of
the
> > sentence.

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------



> > > you know, those cars weren't that safe when driven back then by the
best
> > in
> > > motorsports of the time.

> > > I had always wondered what extra precautions are taken, so that it is
> > safer
> > > than what most claim to be the most dangerous time in motorsports. Now
I
> > > don't know much about it, but I wasn't that surprised somehow to see
> > Bruce's
> > > post above.

> > > Can someone clear up the situation for me? I'm just concerned that
these
> > > things are going to continue to happen. It's one think when a
> professional
> > > F1 guy died at the peak of his sport, it's another thing when someone
> dies
> > > racing in a classic car festival race. It just seems to pointless.

> > > My condolences go out to the family indeed, and I hope we might get
some
> > > answers. Was the pilot made unaware of the relative dangers by someone
> or
> > > another?



> > > > Sorry guys, this is a vent. This weekend was the festival of speed
at
> > > > Goodwood.

> > > > I opened a copy of the Daily Sun lying around at work today

> > > > Tragically, one competitor was killed this weekend when his winged
> > (1969)
> > > > Lotus 49 Lost control on the finish straight and hit the finishing
> post
> > at
> > > > 100mph. A marshall was also killed and another is fighting for his
> life.

> > > > In full Daily sun tradition, the bastards had a "Scoop" with a
series
> of
> > > > photos  showing the accident unfold from the time when the driver
lost
> > > > control right up to (and including) the moment of impact !!

> > > > They also reported that the car "Was the same 1969 model that Mario
> > > Andretti
> > > > drove" !!

> > > > These bastards want taking out and shooting at dawn.

> > > > My condolences to the bereaved.

> > > > MS

David Butte

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by David Butte » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Ah, but did they actually *do* it? :-)

<snip>

Presumably that's at least in part a result of the fear of crippling
litigation. (On a similar point, I remember reading somewhere that the
development of cricket in some parts of the US was being stymied by
local parks' insistence that the grass should be at least 2 inches
long, to avoid people slipping over and suing them.)

--
David. (GPLRank handicap: +39.92)
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Kevin Gavit

British Tabloid editors are scum of the earth

by Kevin Gavit » Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:00:00


They stated it was the SAME car? Not the same TYPE of car?

I mean, after all, the reason Andretti only drove it in practice was because
the wheels fell off the damn thing and it scattered itself, and nearly
Andretti as well, across half of Indiana. Rindt's did the same, and Lotus
was then banned from the track for the year.

So it couldn't have been the same actual car that Andretti drove. That car
ceased to exist in May of 1969. Oh BOY did it cease to exist!


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