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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Thanks Goy...I'll check it out.

I'm not sure what's "good" at Zandvoort........I'll have to check it out as
it's a while since I've driven there. Hang on a tick...............
(tick, tick, tick................................)
Yeah....1:27s is good. Have a look at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/#Top

Cheers mate.
BK

> > Goy, in all honesty I haven't run any other sim on a regular basis since
> > getting GPL. I just find no satisfaction at all in N2 or ICR2 now,
although
> > I am awaiting the releaseof, and subsequent comments about, Nascar
Legends.

> There's a review up at "The Pits"

> And yes, I understand what you are saying about GPL vs
> <insert-name-of-any-sim-here>, I put it on the shelf for a while when I
> was at my most actice on TEN/TPTCC, but reinstalled it the other day for
> my review of the RRC pedals, and haven't run anything else since....btw,
> is 1:27's at Zandvoort any good at all ?

> I see the hotlappers are running in the 22's, but I'm no hotlapper

> --

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "Team Mirage" http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> "The Pits" http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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by **Goy Larse** » Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Thanks Goy...I'll check it out.

> I'm not sure what's "good" at Zandvoort........I'll have to check it out as
> it's a while since I've driven there. Hang on a tick...............
> (tick, tick, tick................................)
> Yeah....1:27s is good. Have a look at
> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/Netherlands.htm#Top

Thx mate, good to know I'm not too old yet :-)))

I guess there's still a few laps left in me then, it's just so much
easier to know where you stand overall by learning one track and
comparing with others......

Not quite ready for Nordschleife yet though :-)

--

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

by **mark jeangerar** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Wanna hear something crazy...

I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

> One of the many aims that I have in my bag....to visit the sites of
> motor-sporting interest. The 'Ring is but one of them.

> > > _Michael_ Martini, did you say, Goy? Isn't he the senior half of that
> > > international consortium, Martini & Dry?

> > Uhm, he could actually have been the Dry part too, he didn't sweat one
> > bit (at least not where I could see anyway, but I had other things on my
> > mind), not even when we (he) had to sverve as the car in front of us
> > suddenly turned to the right just as we were going past him, jumped over
> > the kerbs and ripped the sump partially off of the BMW M5, he was mad,
> > but not sweating, all I heard was a vey subdued "verdamt" or something
> > and then we were back on the track, could this be the guy that gae the
> > name to the "Dry Martini"

> > > Seriously....I envy you your traipse around the 'ring......what a
> wonderful
> > > experience.

> > Oh yeah, cost me cool 25 DM that ride with Mr Dry Martini, some of the
> > best money I've ever spendt, thinking about it, that was about the same
> > price pr km/mile as I'd pay for a regular Taxi ride here in Norway at
> > the time.......

> > --

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy

> > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> Wanna hear something crazy...

> I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
> figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

No need to sneak, last time I paid 13 DM pr lap...... less than 2$ US,
that was 6 years ago though

--

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

> > Wanna hear something crazy...

> > I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
> > figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

> No need to sneak, last time I paid 13 DM pr lap...... less than 2$ US,
> that was 6 years ago though

Guess I'm getting old eh Bruce :-)

13 DM is around 7 $ US...........

--

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Oh, you lucky bastard, Jeangerard!! When are you going over there?

> Wanna hear something crazy...

> I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
> figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

> --
> Mark Jeangerard
> www.soundchaserweb.com
> New Mexico USA

> > One of the many aims that I have in my bag....to visit the sites of
> > motor-sporting interest. The 'Ring is but one of them.

> > > > _Michael_ Martini, did you say, Goy? Isn't he the senior half of
that
> > > > international consortium, Martini & Dry?

> > > Uhm, he could actually have been the Dry part too, he didn't sweat one
> > > bit (at least not where I could see anyway, but I had other things on
my
> > > mind), not even when we (he) had to sverve as the car in front of us
> > > suddenly turned to the right just as we were going past him, jumped
over
> > > the kerbs and ripped the sump partially off of the BMW M5, he was mad,
> > > but not sweating, all I heard was a vey subdued "verdamt" or something
> > > and then we were back on the track, could this be the guy that gae the
> > > name to the "Dry Martini"

> > > > Seriously....I envy you your traipse around the 'ring......what a
> > wonderful
> > > > experience.

> > > Oh yeah, cost me cool 25 DM that ride with Mr Dry Martini, some of the
> > > best money I've ever spendt, thinking about it, that was about the
same
> > > price pr km/mile as I'd pay for a regular Taxi ride here in Norway at
> > > the time.......

> > > --

> > > Beers and cheers
> > > (uncle) Goy

> > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

There's no "old" people, Goy....just "older". :o)

> > > Wanna hear something crazy...

> > > I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to
do is
> > > figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

> > No need to sneak, last time I paid 13 DM pr lap...... less than 2$ US,
> > that was 6 years ago though

> Guess I'm getting old eh Bruce :-)

> 13 DM is around 7 $ US...........

> --

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Zonk** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>Oh, you lucky bastard, Jeangerard!! When are you going over there?

>> Wanna hear something crazy...

>> I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
>> figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

>> --
>> Mark Jeangerard
>> www.soundchaserweb.com
>> New Mexico USA

Sneak? it's hardly expensive!

Z.

Please remove my_pants when replying.

by **Matthias Flat** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>>> I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
>>> figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)
>Sneak? it's hardly expensive!

For cars AFAIK 20 DM (or US$ 11) for a lap.

But if you don't read the contract conditions of the rental car
properly, and crash it on the Nordschleife, it might get a little more
expensive.

I was thinking about getting a rental BMW for a 12 lap
"Gleichmaessigkeits-Pruefung" (regularity test) on the Nordschleife,
but all sorts of "motorsport events" and "car testing" were ruled out
by the rental car company I checked.

So I would recommend to check in advance the legal status of the
Nordschleife (I would guess that during public driving hours it's
considered a public one-way toll road with separated traffic lanes
where all rules of public traffic are in effect), and the opinion of
the rental company about taking a car there.

Somewhere on the Web, there are funny reports from two americans
students taking a rental 7-series BMW out on the Ring, crashing it in
the Fuchsroehre. Apparently, they got away with it, but had a hard
time explaining the circumstances. The repair bill would have been
about the equivalent of 1000 laps on the Ring.
The next time, they've chosen another rental company, to avoid
questions.

--
Matthias Flatt

by **Wolfgang Preis** » Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>>>> I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do is
>>>> figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

>>Sneak? it's hardly expensive!

>For cars AFAIK 20 DM (or US$ 11) for a lap.

>But if you don't read the contract conditions of the rental car
>properly, and crash it on the Nordschleife, it might get a little more
>expensive.

[snip]

And do keep in mind that there is no insurance included in the fee for
damaging, err, 'Nuerburgring hardware'. The rates are reasonable,
though: DM 700,- for 20 meters of brand new double guard rail (between
Fuchsroehre and Adenauer Forst) is what I had to pay. But that was 15
years ago, so it might have become more expensive in the meantime...
;)

--
Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

by **Hena Hakkane** » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00

>> > Wanna hear something crazy...

>> > I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do
is
>> > figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

>> No need to sneak, last time I paid 13 DM pr lap...... less than 2$ US,
>> that was 6 years ago though

>Guess I'm getting old eh Bruce :-)

>13 DM is around 7 $ US...........

This year it was DM20 for cars, DM22 (or 23) for bikes. 5 laps for bikes
(which I took) was DM96.
Worth every penny! :)

Hena

by **mark jeangerar** » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Really? Cool. I was under the impression that if you show up in a 911 with
Budget Rent-a-Car stickers all over it you'd not be able to use the venue.
(naturally I won;t be telling Budget I'm going to the Ring.)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

> > Wanna hear something crazy...

> > I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do
is
> > figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

> No need to sneak, last time I paid 13 DM pr lap...... less than 2$ US,
> that was 6 years ago though

> --

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

by **mark jeangerar** » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Summer of 2000 or 2001. Not only that! But we are going to schedule the Spa
F1 event in that time frame. We will bicycle mostly but use a rental at the
Ring. Faster that way. So it's like a vacation for me that my wife will also
enjoy. I'm sure she's thinking the same thing. (Betcha I like touring Italy
more than she like the Ring. I Win!) :-) Anyway, we are going to go to
Monaco and I don't care how far I have to drag the needle guy, I'm getting
Senna's helmet tattooed to my chest at Portier. (Think there're laws against
public flagellation?)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

> Oh, you lucky bastard, Jeangerard!! When are you going over there?

> > Wanna hear something crazy...

> > I actually talked my wife into going to the ring. Now all we need to do
is
> > figure out how to sneak a rental on. :-)

> > --
> > Mark Jeangerard
> > www.soundchaserweb.com
> > New Mexico USA

> > > One of the many aims that I have in my bag....to visit the sites of
> > > motor-sporting interest. The 'Ring is but one of them.

> > > > > _Michael_ Martini, did you say, Goy? Isn't he the senior half of
> that
> > > > > international consortium, Martini & Dry?

> > > > Uhm, he could actually have been the Dry part too, he didn't sweat
one
> > > > bit (at least not where I could see anyway, but I had other things
on
> my
> > > > mind), not even when we (he) had to sverve as the car in front of us
> > > > suddenly turned to the right just as we were going past him, jumped
> over
> > > > the kerbs and ripped the sump partially off of the BMW M5, he was
mad,
> > > > but not sweating, all I heard was a vey subdued "verdamt" or
something
> > > > and then we were back on the track, could this be the guy that gae
the
> > > > name to the "Dry Martini"

> > > > > Seriously....I envy you your traipse around the 'ring......what a
> > > wonderful
> > > > > experience.

> > > > Oh yeah, cost me cool 25 DM that ride with Mr Dry Martini, some of
the
> > > > best money I've ever spendt, thinking about it, that was about the
> same
> > > > price pr km/mile as I'd pay for a regular Taxi ride here in Norway
at
> > > > the time.......

> > > > --

> > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **mark jeangerar** » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Thanks. I will keep that in mind. Probably only for about ten minutes though
because I'm bringing a rental out there and aint nothin gonna stop me. :-)

--
Mark "Wreckless" Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico USA

> And do keep in mind that there is no insurance included in the fee for
> damaging, err, 'Nuerburgring hardware'. The rates are reasonable,
> though: DM 700,- for 20 meters of brand new double guard rail (between
> Fuchsroehre and Adenauer Forst) is what I had to pay. But that was 15
> years ago, so it might have become more expensive in the meantime...
> ;)

> --
> Wolfgang Preiss \ E-mail copies of replies to this posting are welcome.

cancellation

warned.

by **Steve Ferguso** » Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:00:00

: Summer of 2000 or 2001. Not only that! But we are going to schedule the Spa
: F1 event in that time frame. We will bicycle mostly but use a rental at the
: Ring. Faster that way. So it's like a vacation for me that my wife will also
: enjoy. I'm sure she's thinking the same thing. (Betcha I like touring Italy
: more than she like the Ring. I Win!) :-) Anyway, we are going to go to
: Monaco and I don't care how far I have to drag the needle guy, I'm getting
: Senna's helmet tattooed to my chest at Portier. (Think there're laws against
: public flagellation?)

There was a great article in Road & Track years and years ago about
cycling around Europe and following the F1 circus. This was 1972, mind
you, but it really was a well written piece. It might even have been
Peter Egan, who is one of their best writers. Lots of good words about
Jackie "Superfly" Stewart etc. The author had just finished a military
stay in Germany, sold his car and travelled with a friend; it could have
been the script for a "buddy" film. some funny bits about burning out the
brakes on an ancient touring bike flying down a mountain pass.

Stephen

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