rec.autos.simulators

by JM » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:00:30

as realistic as a one eyed man squinting through a small cardboard box at
his***pit, maybe.

John

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:40:07

I think it is a matter of RATIO's....Yes the windscreen on a REAL WC car
is bigger than 2x12. BUt....how much bigger are the tracks? Compress the
huge area visable in a modern oval and compare that to what is visible with
N4....I would think the RATIO of a real track vs your monitor size....is
pretty close already. So yeah the space you peer out of is tiny...but the
amount of visable area is just about the same as what a WC driver sees.
Ever watch somebody leave the pits and plow into a wheel that was clearly
visible to the TV cameras??? Why didn't the driver avoid it? Because they
sit so low and their perspective really limits what they can see. And as
far as PERIPHERAL(sp?) view...With the exception of one Dale Jr, I don't
think the helmets used by today's drivers allow much side view....why the
heck do you think they need spotters???
So we have decided then that we don't want a realistic viewpoint, and we
don't want a realistic handling that causes the car to pull left. What else
don't we want? Tires that wear out? Fuel tanks that run down, pushrod
motors that can only turn approx. 8 to 9 grand?
Any other suggestions?
dave henrie

by **Dave Cas** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:25:01

No you're being totally unrealistic. Your 2x12 inch view of the outside world
is totally based on the size of your monitor. I have a 21" monitor and have a
much bigger view that. If they made it realistic for your monitor size then
you would only see a 17" view of the road directly ahead and no side view
whatsoever. Are we going to base this argument on those people still running
on 13" monitors? If you want a bigger view then buy a bigger monitor. If 21"
isn't big enough for you, then buy a 60" Phillips flat panel monitor and hang
it on your wall. That should give you the view you're looking for.

Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
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by **Gary Wample** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:48:23

You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to have a
60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a***pit
with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a
Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and
focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look away
from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view is
giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dash greater
screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel in front
of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the
graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver
backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know about the
option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the
perspective)

I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of them
show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have an optional
in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:44:34

In race cars driver seats further behind than in family cars
(nearer the center of the car ). So, knowing Papy, they probably
seated driver at the right spot. All other things thay done right
so I don't know why would they do mistake here.

by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:02:19

Yes, I forgot. Further behind and lower, so they probably
have good view under the dash.

> In race cars driver seats further behind than in family cars
> (nearer the center of the car ). So, knowing Papy, they probably
> seated driver at the right spot. All other things thay done right
> so I don't know why would they do mistake here.

> > You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to
have
> a
> > 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a***pit
> > with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a
> > Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and
> > focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look
away
> > from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view
is
> > giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dash
> greater
> > screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel in
> front
> > of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the
> > graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver
> > backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know about
> the
> > option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the
> > perspective)

> > I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of
them
> > show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have an
> optional
> > in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen.

by **Gerald Moo** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:14:49

Sounds cool, but... who is going to clean up the puke?

> Wait until the day that the game is written for a virtual reality helmet.

by **Thom j** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:49:26

These discussions are all nice but I don't see where if its a 22" screen or
a 2000' screen, you still see the "exact same thing" from N4 or any other
game sim in a***pit. Its only a size thing...Right?
Game-sims are great but without 100% true peripheral vision is isnt even
close to "real-life." Until you're inside a true virtual unit it never will.
Will
it? It is all the same until we move onward to virtual reality but I guess
it
is all subjective anyway...eh? :) O well thats my 1/10th of a cent worth.

| You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to have
a
| 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a***pit
| with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a
| Hans-device and a full face helmet. Maybe its a matter of priority and
| focus. Yes, a WC driver can see under the dash if he chooses to look away
| from the road and down. On a typical montor though, the N4 in-car view is
| giving the bottom of the steering wheel and the view under the dash
greater
| screen real-estate than the window. Besides, I've got my own wheel in
front
| of me, so the screen just needs the dash & windscreen. By showing the
| graphic wheel & steering column in essence it is positioning the driver
| backwards 2 times the length of the steering column. (yes I know about
the
| option to turn of the graphical wheel, but that doesn't change the
| perspective)
|
| I looked at Mobil 1 Rally Championship, Viper Racing, NFS:PU. All of them
| show only half the steering wheel. I would like to see N4 have an
optional
| in-car view with the perspective closer to the windscreen.
|
| > >Real, Shmeal... WC drivers have much more than a 2inch X 12inch window
to
| > >look thru! Our "realistic" fwd view on a std monitor is smaller than
| their
| > >rear-view mirror.
| >
| > No you're being totally unrealistic. Your 2x12 inch view of the outside
| world
| > is totally based on the size of your monitor. I have a 21" monitor and
| have a
| > much bigger view that. If they made it realistic for your monitor size
| then
| > you would only see a 17" view of the road directly ahead and no side
view
| > whatsoever. Are we going to base this argument on those people still
| running
| > on 13" monitors? If you want a bigger view then buy a bigger monitor.
If
| 21"
| > isn't big enough for you, then buy a 60" Phillips flat panel monitor and
| hang
| > it on your wall. That should give you the view you're looking for.
| >
| > Dave Casey
|
|
|

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by **Mario Petrinovi** » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:40:32

Pull to the left and claustrophobic visibility. That's why I
love Papy. Since I was a little boy I dreamed of driving a race
car. Papy made it possible. The only thing that's left is hard
shaking. But I get plenty of that at my job (train-driver ) so I
don't miss it teribly.

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:31:26

> You guys are not being reasonable. Of course "realistic" would be to have a
> 60" monitor with a view of the track only sitting just outside a***pit
> with a windscreen where I'm belted in by a 6-point harness wearing a
> Hans-device and a full face helmet.

what's a Hans-device?

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by **Gary Wample** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:34:15

The Hans-device is a head & neck safety restraint which uses a neck brace
and tethers to hold the head in position upon impact.

by **Dave Cas** » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:29:58

And some of us won't be satisfied until a HANS device is necessary when
driving a sim. ;o)

Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
www.teamcasey.net
www.lvkc.com
www.buycoolcrap.com

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