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>  They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel turn
>in the middle.

> >  They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel
turn
> >in the middle.

> Awww...  Then everyone else should have PRACTICED a bit more, eh?<g>
> It's just like Nascar with it's constant rule changes.  The Ford guys
complain
> "Wah, the Chevys are better", so Nascar gives Fords less spoiler.  Then
someone
> ELSE complains "Waah, now the Fords have an advantage".  Then, Nascar
gives
> THAT group some concession.  I say, put 'em all in the same exact car, run
spec
> races, and let the better driver/team combo win.  Geez, teams that have to
> actually WORK at it for success???  What a concept...
> Sorry for the rant.  The constant 'dubious' changes are a pet peeve...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>  You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and
>attract Nascar races.  They want to take the entire last complex of turns
>and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they
>also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival
>curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped
>ovoid...

> >  You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and
> >attract Nascar races.  They want to take the entire last complex of turns
> >and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they
> >also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival
> >curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped
> >ovoid...

> Well, I don't like PIR *anyway*.  So, I don't really give a f-... um, I
don't
> CARE...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Unfortunately, Portland was scratched this season.

> BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at least
last
> time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used to
run
> Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3
series
> today those 4 are are it.

> > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for
N4
> > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > roadcourses.
> > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses
> > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > series ever race on other road courses?

> And unfortunately, wasn't heartland scratched last season?

> > Unfortunately, Portland was scratched this season.

> > BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at least
> last
> > time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used to
> run
> > Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3
> series
> > today those 4 are are it.

> > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack
for
> N4
> > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > > roadcourses.
> > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only
roadcourses
> > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > > series ever race on other road courses?

>   They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel turn
> in the middle.
> dave henrie


> > And why did they change it in the first place?

> > > Bryon....

> > > When's the last time you drove at Sears?

> > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at
> least
> > > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago).  I know, I was involved
> with
> > > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the
> > > Winston Cup Chute.  It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degree
> turns
> > > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight).  If you go to the
> SPR
> > > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup drivers
> who
> > > tested there two weeks ago.

> > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4?

> > > Tom

>   Waaaaay  back...back so far I can barely remember, I got spoiled on sim
> driving by ICR1.  the cars had TONS of downforce and mega brakes.  I'd use a
> joystick at Long Beach or Milwaukee and start in the back and lead the race
> by 10 laps at 100%....I thought I was something...Then I went to
> Portland...The square 90degree corners at Long Beach don't really teach
> anything about apexing and setting up a 2nd turn with your exit from the
> first... But Portland....I couldn't even keep up with the FREEKIN'
> PACECAR!!!
>   I put ICR1 away..never got the hang of ICR2 at Portland either...if
> anything it was worse...and the weight transfer bug meant you couldn't
> balance the car after about 15 laps or so...Road America was a disaster for
> me.  It wasn't until the touring car patch for the TPTCC league came out for
> N2 that I learned to take the 3rd and 4th corners at Portland as one LONG
> arc.    Of course I STILL suck at almost all sims...but at least I can
> outrun the pacecar now... :>
> dave henrie
> (mr 3 wheeler)

> > >  You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and
> > >attract Nascar races.  They want to take the entire last complex of turns
> > >and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they
> > >also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival
> > >curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped
> > >ovoid...

> > Well, I don't like PIR *anyway*.  So, I don't really give a f-... um, I
> don't
> > CARE...<g>

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26...

> > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan.  I think there
was
> a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up.

> --
> Philip D'Amato

> 00 ZX-6R
> 00 S4

> > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for
N4
> > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > roadcourses.
> > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses
> > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > series ever race on other road courses?

> They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan.  I think there was
> a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up.

> --
> Philip D'Amato

> 00 ZX-6R
> 00 S4

> > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4
> > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > roadcourses.
> > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses
> > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > series ever race on other road courses?

>   The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very short
> modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it.
> dave henrie


> > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan.  I think there
> was
> > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up.

> > --
> > Philip D'Amato

> > 00 ZX-6R
> > 00 S4

> > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack
for
> N4
> > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > > roadcourses.
> > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only
roadcourses
> > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > > series ever race on other road courses?

> Regardless, it (the "Suzuka Thunder Special 100") was a road course.  I dug
> up some more info:
>  - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka)
> - it was run for 100 laps in 96  and either 100 or 125 laps in 97
> (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn (I'm
> looking for a picture).
> - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98
> (conflicting reports)
>   Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN, CTS, and
> Winston West teams.  I'm not sure what the entry criteria was.

> Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourth road
> course.  Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found an odd
> reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called the Twin
> Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan.  I'm led to believe that
> either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Season though
> because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98.  Anyone have a Nascar Bible
> handy?

> --
> Philip D'Amato

> 00 ZX-6R
> 00 S4

> >   The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very short
> > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it.
> > dave henrie


> > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan.  I think there
> > was
> > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up.

> > > --
> > > Philip D'Amato

> > > 00 ZX-6R
> > > 00 S4

> > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack
> for
> > N4
> > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as
> > > > roadcourses.
> > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only
> roadcourses
> > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch
> > > > series ever race on other road courses?

> Motegi is a true oval (the only one in the World....) and CART races there
in
> two days.

> > Regardless, it (the "Suzuka Thunder Special 100") was a road course.  I
dug
> > up some more info:
> >  - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka)
> > - it was run for 100 laps in 96  and either 100 or 125 laps in 97
> > (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn
(I'm
> > looking for a picture).
> > - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98
> > (conflicting reports)
> >   Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN, CTS,
and
> > Winston West teams.  I'm not sure what the entry criteria was.

> > Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourth
road
> > course.  Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found an
odd
> > reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called the
Twin
> > Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan.  I'm led to believe
that
> > either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Season though
> > because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98.  Anyone have a Nascar
Bible
> > handy?

> > --
> > Philip D'Amato

> > 00 ZX-6R
> > 00 S4

> > >   The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very
short
> > > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it.
> > > dave henrie


> > > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan.  I think
there
> > > was
> > > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up.

> > > > --
> > > > Philip D'Amato

> > > > 00 ZX-6R
> > > > 00 S4

> > > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion
pack
> > for
> > > N4
> > > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me
as
> > > > > roadcourses.
> > > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only
> > roadcourses
> > > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the
Busch
> > > > > series ever race on other road courses?